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1 wow
2 Table of contents breakage
3 Company that developed the game
4 Clarification needed
5 Add link
6 categorization

[edit] wow

Talk about a run-on sentence... "It is believed that the use of a limited number of web-resolution screenshots for identification and critical commentary on the computer or video game in question or the copyrighted character(s) depicted on the screenshot in question on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law, as such display does not significantly impede the right of the copyright holder to sell the copyrighted material, is not being used to turn a profit in this context, and presents ideas that cannot be exhibited otherwise." Ross Uber - Talk - Contributions - 03:10, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Table of contents breakage

The table of contents on Category:Screenshots of computer and video games currently does not work correctly. All letters link to Image:LETTER, but the "Image" part of that is ignored for the purpose of indexing the images. I think this should be fixed in this template, rather than in the category page, because some images are included within the category without using this template, and those do work correctly. If someone knows how to fix this, please do so. Thanks! StuartBrady 03:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually it wasn't that either was wrong, but that they didn't match. Generally we index image categories by the image name so that not everything ends up under I, so I fixed the category page and undid the template change. JYolkowski // talk 18:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but there are still images under 'I' which don't belong there. CategoryNamedTOC|Image is used for other categories and works for those categories, which is why I tried to fix it in the template. Thanks for trying, though. StuartBrady 21:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there's more to this than I first thought - some images that use Template:Game-screenshot are affected. StuartBrady 21:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

What you need to do is to make null edits on all of the images indexed under "Image". Simply popping into edit and hitting "Save page" will cause the images to be re-indexed to the proper place in the category. JYolkowski // talk 03:06, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, done - thanks! StuartBrady 13:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Company that developed the game

Do you think it would perhaps be better changed to: "the copyright for it is most likely held by the company or person that developed the game?" This template is used for a screenshot of Scorched Earth, which was developed entirely by one person. Just a thought. 87.232.1.49 21:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification needed

Ok, there are editors using this vague template as an excuse to over-reach Fair Use.

A photograph is copyright to the photographer.
The contents of the photograph are copyright to the owner of the content.

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Fair-use is you taking a photo of a game to upload to an article.
Fair-use IS NOT taking a photo from a random website and uploading it into the Wiki.

Please read: 1, 2. BcRIPster 21:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

What sort of change are you proposing? From the sound of things, it seems the users involved may need to be reminded of our fair use policy; if there's a particular template modification that could resolve this, I'm not sure if I see it, and it's not clear what sort of change you want, either way. =\ So, what sort of text would you like added or removed? Luna Santin 03:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking something expansion on the bullets above, but I'm not sure how to keep it concise? The problem relates to a lack of understanding of where the lines for fair-use and derivate works reside in regards to screenshots of games found on the web. There appears to be this belief that any screenshot of a videogame is fair use, discounting the fact that that only applies to the photographer/publisher of the original photograph. A reuse of that photo by a third party without consent of the photographer is a copyright violation. BcRIPster 03:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Game screenshots are generally considered to have their copyright reside in the maker of the game, rather than the taker of the screenshot, because that's where the creativity came from. A reviewer won't come after you for reusing their screenshots (and would be on dubious ground anyway). Is there an example I'm missing? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 08:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Nothing personal, but for the sake of brevity, maybe you should read this recent exchange I had at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games#Screenshots.3F in its' entirety. Then come back and we can talk more. Don't feel bad, most people don't understand all of this, and the gaming mags haven't helped matters much. A screenshot of a game is covered by two copyrights. One with the content (by the game creator), and the second with the photographer (who took/published the photo). The photographer may have fair-use/derivative works protections depending on how he intends to use the photo (thereby protecting him from being sued by the content creator). A third party who wants to use that photo has to get permsion from the original photographer first, and then if they wish to use the content of the photo in a commercial manor, they will need permissions from both the content creator and the photographer, and possibly owe both royalties. If the third party wants to replicate the photo in a fair-use/derivative works arangement, then they may only need permission from the photographer. Just because game magazines don't go around suing everyone doesn't mean they can't. They have that right. Thanks. BcRIPster 09:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Quick comment. Without forming an opinion on the discussion, there doesn't seem to be a consensus to change the licensing template at this time; you may wish to pursue dispute resolution or head to the village pump or appropriate image policy talk pages (perhaps WP:FU?) so that such consensus can be achieved. Luna Santin 22:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

After consideration I have added the discussion entry at WP:FU . BcRIPster 21:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)