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Contents 1 faults section 2 osaka team 3 Censorship section? 4 too much info and the layout problems 5 targets on Gantz(new pages) 6 video games 7 About the spoilers 8 Some additions 9 addon to aliens,kurono and tae 10 addon to aliens,kurono and tae 11 and also..... 12 ? 13 English Manga 14 response to English manga 15 bigger image 16 some other stuff 17 anyone still here? 18 character images 19 Gantz Bike 20 more additions coming! 21 Alien pics and Manga/Anime controversy 22 This article is really growing too fat 23 Kojima pic 24 Split article? 25 Tagged 26 unsolved questions 27 Updating the character section 28 Female Vampire 29 Cowboy Bebop Influence

[edit] faults section

as it's pretty unnecesary, unprofessional, and inaccurate, i'm removing it. 76.183.106.17 23:42, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] osaka team

hey i was just wondering if the osak gantz team will be added soon --Zetsuie 03:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zetsuie (talk • contribs) 03:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Censorship section?

This should have mentioned the heavy censorship in the anime, how ADV handled the release, ETC. yea, the manga has lots of sexually explicit content, and nudity, tons and tons of blood (its good that mangas are in black and white(otherwise i might feel nauseaus (forgot spelling)).

Heavy Censorship?? I thought that the Anime was more Gory than the Manga. But then again the Manga is Black and white. Still I dont think that Gantz Cesors anything. I believe there is a Censored version of the anime, but I haven't seen it, so i dont know how they did it. --Guille2015 07:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I've been currently watching the anime on Anime Network on-Demand and they've had this anime on Uncut, with dubbing I assume, and now they're playing it subtitled, and it's definately UNCUT and UNCENSORED because they have all the bloody, gory scenes intact, and they had the sex scenes in too. --Sabishii Kouen

[edit] too much info and the layout problems

Every character images with frames were done by me. Seeing there have been some new images of the characters, I should try to modify them so the page has a more unified look.

About the character information... the amount of info there is getting rificules. Gantz series is still running, and it is impossible and impractical to update them everytime there is something new come out. We seriously need to trim the information down. What we are doing here is almost like trying to fot the summary of each chapter of the manga into one page. Either we build a seperate page with plots of each chapter, or don't do it at all. The page about Superman doesn't have the plot of each and every issue, so neither should Gantz.

Also, I don't think we need images for the weapons.

In my opinion, we have to create a new page for characters only. I know the gantz information is still running, and its very difficult to update the info each time an issue appears.Otherwise, I created a page for Targets on Gantz thinking on informing what happened in each chapter. I guess it can work better if we reorganize the Gantz main page structure.

P.S. Maybe nobody has enough time to write down about each Superman character. --Robvaler 05:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)--

That's brilliant! Yeah, we should split the info into smaller articles. Perhaps we could split manga and anime info as well?

--YiantheGreat 09:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)--

I disagree with splitting the anime and manga. I think it would be better to create a Main Character page, a minor characters page, and perhaps a mission summary/synopsis page or series of pages outlining the various events throught the missions and in the plot that develops between the missions. I think a chapter-by-chapter synopsis is probably going overboard.

A separate page for the known rules/scoring system, and even one for the weapons/tools/vehicles might be in order as well. Thoughts?

-Marc Jones (aratsubo at hotmail dot com)

[edit] targets on Gantz(new pages)

I uploaded several images about weapons and aliens correcting the links someone else put before. Because of spoiler danger and article size reason I splitted the article and create a new section "Gantz Targets" (Actually, I think "Targets on Gantz" would be a better title , but I missaved the page with the current title. I'm gonna add more information about the game in the next days.

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why did he have his memory wiped, i don't understand, was he being selfish or something. why didn't he wish for kei kishimoto, then everybody he cared for would be back. but maybe he wanted a normal life, so that he could be with tae kojima. (damn made me cry too, both of em made me cry (this some crazy shit)).

If you get 100 points and decide to quit the game, you have your memory wiped (this is mentioned in the article under "plot"). Kei probably released Joichiro because Joichiro is a stronger player and has more of a chance to help the team survive than Kei Kishimoto, who really didn't participate that well. Perhaps Kei was showing a bit of pity as well? However, these comments really have nothing to do with building the GANTZ article, you may want to find a BBS for discussion of GANTZ.

[edit] video games

I have added a little section about the video game for Gantz on PS2. It isn't much, just the fact that Konami published it and its website. Anyone know more about it, such as the general reception to it and all, please feel free to add more.

[edit] About the spoilers

Guys, Do you think it is apporiate to have the amount of spoilers it has right now? It really ruins the plot completely! Shouldn't this page be informative without sacrificing the fun of the actual series? Please let me know what you think about this.

-Response: I think that Wikipedia prefers articles to be thorough as opposed to introductions to a series. But it wouldn't do any harm to increase the amount of information prior to the spoiler tag.-

-Reponse: I believe that it is VERY important to note before the spoiler tag (or at the beginning of the spoilers section) how important it is to go into Gantz cold, to learn the mysteries as they are revealed, rather than spoiling. The purpose of the page is for completists or those looking for analysis or reference, NOT for the casual reader who wants to get into Gantz.

[edit] Some additions

Looks like the Oni alien section has been cleaned up as well. That should conclude the alien section's clean up. I will check if there is any stuff we have overlooked.

I'm thinking about adding a section talking about the PS2 video game for Gantz. I don't believe it was released in US, but it exists.

[edit] addon to aliens,kurono and tae

YO... i would like to thank the ppl that finished the alien section... i finished a little of it uhh i think we should edit some of the stuff and add more characters...

thnx -ORYN

[edit] addon to aliens,kurono and tae

would it be ok if i added kurono and tae to the aliens section? i khow they arent really aliens,maybe we should change it to"gantz targets" because the vampires may turn out to be targets as well. though gantz does seem to have a habit of calling everthing he targets an alien:). i would state that neither of them are REALLY aliens,just idenified as aliens by gantz. in case any of you are confused about the kurono alien,its an anime excusive. in the final ark of the anime, gantz assigns kuruno the target of the mission. he is idenified as"kuruno alien"if (anyone can provide the likes,dislikes,characteristics,and qoute,that would be great. i admit that i have not actully seen the show;p) and the group is made to kill him. despite kurono being displayed as the mission target,the two insane hobo killers(ryuji and hajime) are the real enemy. they take advantage of the confusion and began killing the other contestants,and kei unites the group against them. the hobo agressors are killed in the end,leaving only kuruno and the random girl(what was her name again?) kei is then teleported to the very train platform in which his whole deal with gantz started with the girl on his back. it should also be noted that this final ark of the anime is metaphorical,random,and crpytic. its critisized by many fans of the manga as making little sence and being part of the filler ending(my guess is that gantz found out that keis brother was a vampire,and feared they were in league. but then again,the hobo killers were the missions real targets. i khow alot of people think(perhaps rightly so,but who am i to say that?) that this ark is filler,and im sure there are some people who khow more about this then i do. so feel free to edit the crap out of me. at least add a tae alien section,and if you want.... "critism of the anime by manga fans"

[edit] and also.....

if anyone wants the profile for the tae alien,its characteristics:small,weak likes:drawing manga qoute:kei-chan

[edit]  ?

so,responce? have we decided to stop editing this article? why?

This is Zephyr414 from Shoc's forums for Gantz (http://forum.caticus.com) and I did some cleaning up to the equipment section. I will continue to clean up the grammatical and factual errors and try to find a better picture for the top of the page.

I cleaned up the first plot paragraph. Here is the old version:

The plot involves a high school student and his friend who are both killed by a train as they try to save a homeless man who fell on the tracks. They are both transported to an apartment where they meet a group of similarly confused people who have also just died. In the center of the room lies a black sphere simply called GANTZ. GANTZ informs the people that their lives have ended. The words, "What you do with your new life is entirely up to me. That's the theory anyway," materialize upon the black sphere's surface.

[edit] English Manga

(First off, quickly, a MUCH better picture is needed) Does anyone know if there are any plans for an english adaptation of the manga? Elijya 16:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I dont know that, but I know that you can get(or should I write download) somewhere in the web. I know they translated it, I read about 100(or more) chapters. User:Kniaz

If you could point me in the direction of a site where you read it, Kniaz, I'd be very greatful :) (also, somebody change the picture, it's absolutely horrible) Elijya 07:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

You could try http://www.stoptazmo.com/gantz - they have a translation of the first 225 chapters, I believe. (Zephyr414 - unregistered) 16:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] response to English manga

Well, It's very easy to get a much better image. The problem is with its copyright. In order not to violate any copyright laws, I think we can only use small images with web quality.

Second, we don't encourage people posting links to unauthorized version of the manga. So the links will have to go, sorry...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 156.12.31.63 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 14 February 2006 (UTC).

Small images yes but you can go bigger than whats here, something of the quality youd find on amazon.com is fine. Discordance 00:18, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bigger image

Alright, if we are to use a better image, what are the rules? Friom what I have read so far, it seems that everything we find on the Internet cannot be used...?

[edit] some other stuff

so........no kuruno alien? i khow the last 5 episodes of the anime are critized as filler and considered non-canon by most fans of the manga,but if we want to by comprehensive,perhaps we should add that. and why isnt there a diffrences between the manga and anime section? how about......a section pertaining to the secondary gantzers that appear during te missions? i dont khow if we should include all of them,maybe we could make a seprate article. heres an example,we could do it mission by mission "name:inamori takeshi gantz name:blondie appearace:wears a pink shirt under a lavender-colored sweatshirt,has long back pants. also has blue eyes,and as his name suggests,blonde hair with a ponytail. he has an effeminate look to him. weapons:x-rifle kills:almost killed baby onion alien,attempted to shoot the large onion alien,but hit hatanaka instead. description:a teenager that appeared during the first mission. he was hit by a car while taking a smoke break from work. in the anime,he took pictures of kishimoto naked with his cell phone. he was killed by the adult onion alien,though his death in the manga wasnt clearly displayed.in the anime,his head was riped off quotes:"have you ever seen that movie...the sixth sence? its like they...cant even see us.." "why are you naked? are you some kinda fag?" "IM SORRY! IM SORRY!" i khow his name because of a site that shows all the people in the missions,the creator khows because he has read the gantz manual,the site is at http://www.filefarmer.com/gantzball/home.html feel free to use other info on this site for the sake of editing this article,it also has summaries of the manga. thk ppls!

[edit] anyone still here?

we can still make this article better. how about pictures of the characters and aliens? (and what about the kuruno alien:)?

Images from the internet are fine if your put on their image page a link to where you got them from and use the correct image tag, say who owns the copyright, you should also write why you think the image is fair use, generally list the reasons its low quality, doesnt infringe the copyright holders rights, doesnt damage their sales, helps identify a character/plot element (say which chracter/plot element). Kuruno alien and a comparison between the anime and manga should be added, sorry i dont have much time to help but add as much as you can and ill try to help copyedit it. Discordance 20:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] character images

All right, I added some. More will come. Could someone make a table so the layout doesn't look all messed up? Thanks!

[edit] Gantz Bike

Why is the article referring to the bike as "O-Cycle"? The real name of the bike is "Gantz Bike". That is proved in the Gantz Manual, which contains lots of info on both the anime and manga series. I never heard that "O-Cycle" term, but I think this should be fixed.--Kaonashi 04:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Fixed.--Kaonashi 05:24, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] more additions coming!

I agree with the O-cycle fix. Gantz Bike seems to be a better option since there is a reference for it. I might try to make the character's pictures in one standard format. The problem is with the vampires. If you have a small pic, you can only show one or two of them, which will feel weird. Maybe we should exlude the vampires? Also, the kid doesn't seem to be that important, to me. Should we keep the kid in the character's list? That Tomb Raider girl might be very important, but the list is based on the manga, so I say we make a seperate list for the anime.

I also feel that there is way too much spoiler in the character info. We don't really need to detail everything the characters have done up to this point, in my opinion. Ganza manga is still running, and there will be more story being revealed. It would be silly to keep adding stuff here as the series runs along.

[edit] Alien pics and Manga/Anime controversy

I think we should add pictures of the Aliens. maybe one from the manga(if possible) and one from the anime(if possible)

Onion=just a normal picture of him,i don't know if it would be big or litle one Tanaka=if you could find a full body picture of one smiling,looking like its about to say"yuzo?" that would be great Budda=either rowdy or grumpy looking all angry Chibi=a normal full body picture Kuruno=just a pic of him all freaked out during the mission Dinosaur/Kappe=i honestly have no clue Ring=one of them up close,though i think we should show its collosal size Tae=maybe her in pajamas or after she had been slashed Oni=one of the basic ones,after its transformed.

[edit] This article is really growing too fat

Well, personally, I think we need to trim the article. Gantz manga is still running, as Kurono, after losing his memory, begin to pick up clues of Gantz' existence through this researcher, and now Gantz has been linked to a German religious cult. We can't possibly just keep adding more as the plot goes along. The best way to do this would be to simplify the character bios, maybe even getting rid of a few of them, and we really don't need an entire section talking about every single alien they have encountered.

-Response: I agree that the article is pretty big. But wouldn't the logical thing to do be to create a separate characters page? It would also make sense to have the missions be listed on a separate page as well.-

I disagree. The recommended article size limit is usually 32 KB and the Gantz article has not come close to that limit yet, so it's completely unnecessary to trim the article at this stage. We should only consider reducing the article if it becomes larger than 32 KB. Jagged 21:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that it might be a good idea to begin offloading sections onto new pages. For example, I'm the guy that just tripled the size of the rules section. I could have gone on and one for pages on analysis of the rules, and the "false" rules that have proliferated (such as Nishi's contention that if Kato shot him in the head, that Gantz would make *his* head explode instead). What do you think? -Marc Jones (aratsubo@hotmail.com) 18 August 2006

[edit] Kojima pic

Whats up with the tae kojima pic currently being of director kojima of MGS? Midusunknown 12:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split article?

Would it make sense to split the article into Gantz (manga) and Gantz (anime)? This one seems to flip-flop between the two at random. I know they're similar, but they're not the same. --Mister Six 14:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I would hardly go so foar as to call them similar. I agree, the article should be split, with the focus on the more popular anime version. Piuro 02:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tagged

I have tagged this article for wikification, as it seems to draw out onto the eccentricities, theories, and speculations of the story. We should make this article more clear cut, and expand only with necessary information from there. All prominent theories should probably be grouped into a single "Theories" section. Normally I would say leave them out, but for quite a few of them there is almost a universal consensus among fans. Piuro 02:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] unsolved questions

sould there be a sect for unsolved mysteries.

1) what happened to the dog. it just disappeared. is this by intension?

The dog was killed in the Buddha alien mission. It was stepped on by one of the statues For Thine is the Kingdom. 10:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)be0wulf

2) how did Ryōko know so much about the suit when izumi was fighting the vamps?

[edit] Updating the character section

Should we mention the Osakans collectively like we do with the vampires? --Bushido Brown 08:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

And while we're on the subject of updating the character section, I believe Host Samurai should have his own private section, instead of being lumped with all of the other vampires.

[edit] Female Vampire

Is it just me or does the female vampire look an awful lot like Chiaki Kuriyama? I'm thinking that this character might look like her on purpose, as on the DVD bonus features for Gantz the anime, she said that she enjoyed the series quite a bit. 70.67.143.56 10:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

-It is absolutely supposed to look like Chiaki Kuriyama; that's been established, and she's stated on the record that Gantz is her favorite manga, she loves the vampires, and would absolutely love to be a part of a Gantz live action project, so long at they could come up with a character for her to play that wasn't like her characters in Battle Royale or Kill Bill.

-Looks like Oku did just that.

[edit] Cowboy Bebop Influence

The 'bang' reference has done plenty of times in japanese tv and anime as sort of "breaking the forth wall" sort of deal, to tell the audience it is simply a show. The reference needs to be broadened or eliminated as it is misleading. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.90.4.163 (talk) 17:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC).