Talk:Garage (dance music)
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see also Talk:2Step
Disambiguation Dear Sir/Madam, Please add a note about other meanings of garage-parking space/car workshop etc. I would have done it myself, but I do not want to edit the main page as I am new to Wikipedia and do not want to unintentionally damage/vandalize a page. Thanks a lot and sorry for any inconvenience caused. Thanks George E Matthew
Hi guys, I haven't been to this page since I wrote the article, which is more than a year ago now. Nice to see that it was awarded the "good article" quality label form Wikipedia. So thanks to everyone who contributed and improved my original article. However, I saw the discussion about the title of the article and wanted to add my thoughts.
When I first wrote it, I wrote it under the "2step". Since then, some of you have changed the titles and now there is this article and the "UKG: UK Garage and Two-step", which is basically the same article again. I suggest that we clean up this mess. My solution is that we have a disambiguation page with the title "Garage" and two separate articles on UK Garage (where we leave 2step and 4x4) and US garage.
Furthermore I wanted to tell Sven that "heavily shuffled" means exactly what is written in the other article. In other words: yes, link them! :-)
Next, the pronunciation issue: The thing is that US and UK garage are close in terms of history and even closer in terms of terminology (it's both garage, right? *lol*). The different pronunciation on either side of the Atlantic helped many people to distinguish between the two genres and so they deliberately used the different ways to say it. "garaadge" was the US pronunciation and "garridge" was the UK’s version. It's not like it would be relevant for the music itself, but it’s just how the majority of people would refer to it. However, as we’ve seen now, there are people out there (at least in Sussex) who deviate from this "cultural classification". This is the reason why I believe it makes sense to have two separate pages for the articles with two different names, UK and US garage. The main problem is that “Garage” is just the lazy way of referring either to UK or US garage. But without hearing it ("garaadge" or "garridge"?) it is difficult to figure out which one is meant. So please, don’t simply use “garage” as a title for the page as it does not accurately reflect what is really meant (which of course is UK garage in this case).
Last but not least: It's nice to see that the lists of links and artists are being extended, but I believe it's getting too much here. Links like "DJ Emerge- House & UK Garage" and "www.hlsrecords.com" are definitely in the wrong place here. Same goes for artists like Artifact and Danny Bond (D-Tox and DJ Veteran are ok because I like their productions *lol*). No, seriously, this is supposed to be an explanatory article to illustrate what the music is and to give people who are interested in it a starting point of internet references and popular artists if they want to dig deeper. But this is not simply a link collection where every record store or artist can add his page.
Cheers to all of you! Foresight
This page arose bacause I noticed garage means different thing to different people. Maybe it should be a disambiguation page between UK garage and Garage music (US). Or maybe it should stay as it is because they're related. Andy G 11:15 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- See also The Great Garage Debate 80.43.82.71 16:55, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I Agree that Garage and UKG /two step should be separate...will put it under a new heading as well
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[edit] Pronunciation of "Garage"
Good article, but I disagree with the following statement:
- The correct pronunciation of UK Garage is "Garridge"... -
But I didn't want to change it without asking what other people think.
I live in Sussex in the UK and I was quite a big fan of UK Garage. I don't pronounce garage as "garridge", but more like "ga-raadge" - a bit like large. Saying "garridge" is really an accent. To be really pedantic, I don't think the Queen would say "garridge".
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- UK Gah-raaaaaaaaj?! HAHA. that sounds very silly. I don't think I know ANYBODY who pronounces "garage" in the context of music like that. It's definitely "garridge".
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- What can I say? I'm from England and I say "Gah-raaaaj". What do you want me to do!!? It's like the old song: "You say neither and I say neither - let's call the whole thing off!" [1]. We could have a fairly pointless argument about this. I haven't got a problem whether anyone says "garridge" or "garaadge", but my main points below still stand: correct pronunciation and relevance.
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I accept that a lot of people in the UK would probably say "garridge", but I think the description as "correct pronunciation" is a bit strong. And I wonder whether the sentence is really relevant for the article anyway.
Garage was born in London and had/has it's greatest following in London. Londoners pronounce it 'Garridge' (unless they are upper class) therefore it is 'garridge'. I have heard posh fellows calling it 'garahjjj' and it sounds ridiculous. Kid Dynamite
[edit] Heavy shuffle
quote: "All 2Step tracks are heavily shuffled, which gives the tracks a swing feeling."
Does anyone know if this shuffle is referring to shuffle as in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shuffle_note&redirect=no and if so, how about adding a wiki-link to this musical article?
Regards, Sven
[edit] suggested merge
Both Garage (dance music) and UKG: UK Garage and Two-step cover much of the same material. One is more general and the other includes one of the sub classes in the name. A merge would eliminate duplicate material and be less confusing. Vegaswikian 19:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps it would be better to just move all the UK Garage stuff over to UKG. US and UK garage aren't really the same type of thing at all. Most of the people into UK Garage are unaware of the connection to the Paradise Garage. What happened as I remember, was that you had the Tony Humphries New Jersey garage sound and this stuff along with other New York city house music became popular with UK djs around the late 1980s/early1990s. Then you had a little offshoot where UK djs, mainly in London, would play a lot of the "skippier" type of stuff out of New York, early MAW mixes, Mood II Swing, and especially Todd Edwards and would tend to speed it up to plus 7 or 8 on the decks. This music was only "garage" in the sense that at that time pretty much any house music from New York was called "garage". This mini-scene crosss-fertilised with the heavy bass lines from Drum and Bass - at the time you would have large raves at the likes of Bagley's warehouse in Kings Cross and one room would play the skippy Garage stuff while Drum and Bass was played in the larger rooms. That's how Speed Garage/UK Garage was born and by this stage there was really no connection at all with the Paradise Garage.
I think it's still worthwhile maintaining a page just about the music inspired by the Paradise Garage with possibly a link over to the UK Garage article. Mcgahon 12:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as separate article Escaper7 17:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Garage and UK Garage may cover much of the same material, but Garage itself is Deep House and what you're saying that UK Garage is Speed Garage makes it pointless to merge. Because in that sense they don't go under the same name unless you're saying Garage > Deep House > UK > Speed Garage. Odd Faden 11:07am 04/17/06
- The suggestion was to list the common elements in the main body of the article. The differences could be covered in a heading for the various sub genres. Vegaswikian 18:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
UK Garage isnt Speed Garage. Speed Garage is a totally different sounding genre. Many people who do not listen to it, think it is 2-step garage that has been "Sped-up" and this isnt the case. The connection between the 2 genres is sometimes only in name, the differences are far too strong to say "UK Garage IS speed garage". And US Garage is also different, In the same way that US house is different to UK House.
- This difference between UK Garage and Speed Garage stated above is only partially correct. Speed Garage was the name used originally (often in a derogatory manner) for UK Garage when it first emerged as a distinct genre and sub-culture/'scene'. The DJs, promoters and clubbers who went to these nights preferred to UK Garage epithet because it addressed the fact that it was a distinct music (albeit with US garage influences) that was being developed in the UK. SupernautRemix 18:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] GA Re-Review and In-line citations
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[edit] Reasons for GA Delisting
This article's GA status has been revoked because it fails criterion 2. b. of 'What is a Good Article?', which states;
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[edit] What makes you think that Garage is dance music?
Electronic and garage music are entirely different.
Ableton Live is perfect for Techno songs due to the live recording, beat repeat, and special filters to produce a "break" in a dance song.
FL Studio (Fruity Loops) is perfect for creating grimey instrumentals. Note artists Wiley Dexplicit Skepta listen to their instrumentals at last.fm you can tell it's been made with fruity loops as it sounds like it's bean made with a drum matrix with different instruments making different melodies mixing together. Does that sound like dance music to you? even Channel U A grimey british tv station Channel U TV.
Desbest 21:23, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
