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[edit] Headline text
I has born on your brithday , and i think that's cool we can celbrate are brithday toether. My brithday is on February , 7 ,1983 like yours diffante year yours is on 1962. Do you know my aunt Donna Curry she went to collge with you and she knows frist wife Sandy Brooks.
[edit] Record sales
I extracted "He has sold more records than any other artist over the past 20 years." as it conflicts with the "facts" in List of best-selling music artists. A reference for the statement would help both articles. Tiles 23:29, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Garth Brooks is the the best selling SOLO artist of all time
This subject gets into quicksand easily. The only data that is reliable is US album sales, which are certified by the RIAA and listed at List of best selling music artists in US. There Garth is fourth, and the three above him all had their prime sales in the 1970s or earlier, so you can safely say that Garth has sold the most albums in the US of any artist in the past 20 years. Wasted Time R 14:41, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
- Even that data is not "reliable", the R.I.A.A's figures have got much criticism (understandably) over the years (as we have mentioned in this main article). Whatever the case, it's clear Garth Brooks has had a hugely successful career, with an enviable legacy by many. 195.93.21.1 13:15, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
We need to add a section about the box set. 04:45, 2 December 2005 JJGlendenning
- The Limited Series is already mentioned in the Retirement section of the main article, and is listed in the Discography article. What more needs to be said? Wasted Time R 11:32, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] I love you!!
I live in a very small town in Australia and I have got every album and single you have ever released. i am only 17 at the moment but you have always been there. my hole life i have listen to you and i made myself a promise to me you Garth. I am so happy for you and Trisha and wish you two the best of luck. Thank you for the music. love always ebony.
[edit] Minor change to "Gay Rights"
From the "Gay Rights" discussion under controversy, I changed the text to refer to the lyric "free to love anyone we choose" as a "possible" reference to gay relationships. While this change is not meant to undermine the argument that Garth supports gay rights, this lyric is easily interpretted as a referrence to mixed-race relationships, an interpretation which is quite compatible with the rest of the song. Until someone has an explicit evidence that this lyric refers to gay rights (e.g., a quote from Garth to that effect), I would suggest that the article not be so direct with such a subjective thing as song lyrics. 22:26, 27 September 2005 134.253.26.10
- I've added a quote from Garth, a cite to the GLAAD award he received, etc. Wasted Time R 01:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
- I've also restored two other entries on this page. Material on talk pages shouldn't be edited out just because you think the comments are irrelevant; if nothing else, these entries illustrate the nature of Garth's fan base. Wasted Time R 01:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merge Garth Brooks discography back into Garth Brooks?
It has been proposed to merge Garth Brooks discography back into Garth Brooks. 68.48.191.230 [00:47, 13 December 2005]
- I say no. This article is already long, and will get even longer if someone ever fills in the period between The Chase and Chris Gaines. The discography article will also grow, since at some point Garth is likely to come more fully out of retirement. Having a separate discography article is standard procedure for Wikipedia articles on major popular music artists, and Garth seems to qualify. 68.48.191.230 needs to give a reason here to justify the merge back. Wasted Time R 01:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
NO. There is no reason to merge the discography back into Brooks article. It was separated for the reason this article got longer and like the above user said it is getting longer all the time. Are you going to suggest Elvis Presley's or Elton John's discography gets put back into their articles too? 195.93.21.2 09:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Having seen no support for the merge or rationale given by the proposer, I have removed the merge proposal tags. Wasted Time R 02:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "Chris Gaines" project a failure
An anon keeps objecting to this bit in the intro:
- ... he then attempted an artistically ambitious but ultimately failed multi-media project involving a fictitious alter ego.
The Chris Gaines album sold disappointingly compared to Garth's previous records, the planned movie that was the start of the project was scrapped, some of the public was confused, and it's now mocked in a "Late Night Wall of National Jokes". What part of this wasn't a failure? It doesn't mean Garth wasn't right to try it, it just means it didn't work. Also, the anon's substitute wording goes into too much detail for an intro. Wasted Time R 18:23, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
The Gaines album sold just as well as "Beyond The Season" and "Scarecrow", even better than "The Magic Of Christmas" and all these albums are considered successes. Confusion in the public and features on comedy shows do not count as failure or not. Brooks successes have also been mocked on comedy shows. Comedy shows are merley humor, they are not comment on success of a record. Kenny Rogers' and Dolly Parton's "Islands In The Stream" was mocked on SNL once, but it was the biggest selling country single ever issued by RCA records (a label with a large country following). What part of it wasn't a failure? The millions of albums sold, the two top 10 singles and the money made by Garth Brooks, Capitol records and the many songwriters of the record. It wasn't a complete flop and therefore wasn't "ultimately" a failure. I will talk more on this page beofore i re-edit this section again if anyone wants to reply to this.
- The intro says the Chris Gaines project failed, which was more than just the album. Moreover, according to Garth Brooks discography, in the US the album itself sold the least amount of any of his original material studio albums and only half as much as the next lowest, Scarecrow. That sounds pretty disappointing to me.
You're taking it out of context. Until recently, Scarecrow only had sold three million copies and only passed 4 million in late 2005. The Gaines album can't sell anymore yet, as of wrighting, it has not been re-issued and may not be for some time, as it is not a "Garth Brooks" album. Garth's "The Magic of Christmas" album (which is regarded as a success with over a million sold), to date, sold less than the Gaines project, although this too may change as that album is still avalible at Walmart.
- Comparing it to two Christmas/holiday albums is meaningless, they are a special category.
Maybe so, but Garth is a rare exception. "Beyond The Season" was still on the album charts in the SUMMER of 1994
- And the (gaines) album only had one top 10 single, "Lost in You", not two. While you are right that the album was not a flop, it was definitely disappointing.
Incorrect. "Lost In You" was a top 10 pop hit and "It don't matter to the sun" reached the top 10 on the Billboard Country charts, hence two top 10 singles. Brooks also has stated he was proud of the album and it's success.
- Now combine that with the movie, which was the main part of the project to begin with, getting cancelled, and I think it's fair to say that the project as a whole was a failure. (I'll concede that the Conan joke is not relevant.)
To say the movie was the "main part" is debateable. No final script was ever planned, Brooks never even said he would be in the movie, let alone play the lead role. Nothing was ever finalised, so therefore it's possible, even if the album had sold more copies, that it may have never even happend then, we shall never know.
- Again, if you're a Garth Brooks fan, this is nothing to get defensive about; the article states that the project was artistically ambitious and explored new musical territory. Many great artists have had failed projects: the Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour and Get Back projects are classic examples, as is Bob Dylan's Self Portrait and Renaldo and Clara, and so on.
- Finally, if you are knowledgable about Garth, the article needs work on the stretch of his career after The Chase and before Chris Gaines. What's there now doesn't describe the albums released during that period, the musical directions they took, Garth's attitude towards the industry, and so forth. There's useful work to be done ... Wasted Time R 00:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Also, I have to add, how do i go into too much detil for an intro? It's only once sentance longer, hardly an extremism.
- It's not the length of what you wrote, but the bringing in that the project involved a movie and (semi-)soundtrack ... the intro is trying to give the broad scope and picture of Garth's career, and Chris Gaines is not that important overall (compared to his many successes), so you don't want to dive into detail on it. It's only mentioned at all because it's part of the story leading to his retirement. Wasted Time R 00:31, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I am a fan but it's got nothing to do with taking offence, but the chris gaines project was not a total failure like the intro in the article claims. Maybe it would be better to remove mention of it altogeter in the intro as it is mentioned in depth in the article and it was not an event that led to his retirement, he wanted to spend time with his children, something he would have done if the Chris Gaines album had sold 20 million copies and had a record breaking box office movie with it.
- The intro doesn't say the project was a total failure, it says it ultimately failed, which has a different slant. I don't think it should be removed, since it was a signficant and unusual aspect to his career. As for the reasons for his retirement, I don't doubt his sincerity about wanting to be the best family man he can be. But other big stars such as Paul McCartney and Bruce Springsteen have remained committed fathers to 3 or more children while staying in the business. That Garth retired completely, a highly unusual move, must have something to do with his feelings about the industry and the path of his career, in addition to his family motivations. Wasted Time R 02:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I doubt that, he has had much worse critics in his career than the Chris Gaines project. There is no way that project was the reason he quit. After all, he was back in the studio making new music right after. I think another word rather than "failure" would be more approiate. It was a heartbreaking decision for him to quit, but he chose his children over his career. You mention McCartney and Springsteen, but these are rare cases in show business. Look at other stars, such as Kenny Rogers, he was married 4 times by 1976, had 2 kids,both of whom he hardly saw back then, clearly not all can be in the music business and be family men. It was easier for McCartney - he ran his empire and turned up for work on his terms - most don't have that luxury, and have to keep the money men behind their careers happy, hence Brooks split with Capitol last year, and now he is now fully in charge he seems to be making more public appearances again, because he dosent have a room full of people asking him where the next million dollars is coming from.
- Well, your last sentence makes the point that he was unhappy about some aspects of the industry. Anyway, in the spirit of compromise I'll accept your change of "failure" to "uncompleted". Wasted Time R 22:33, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Lost Sessions
Is The Lost Sessions really a separate release from the 2005 Limited Series box set now, as the discography states? And has it really sold 1 million copies? I couldn't find a listing for it anywhere on line, at Walmart or elsewhere. 69.204.1.97, can you point me to it? Also, I moved the box sets back into the albums listing, I didn't see any reason to push them down to after the singles. Wasted Time R 22:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes it is also a seprate album. I am reverting this because RIAA rules take the sales of the album in the box set and put them on the sales of the actual albums, so therefore to avoid confusion (as the box sets sales are also mentioned) it is better to have them listed seprate.
[edit] BIGGEST FAN !!!!!!!
I have been your biggest fan since i heard your first song .My school is doing a big speech and i had to choose some one and i chose you im also a fan of trisha you both are a great couple.I do alot of horse riding and team roping and when i was in the roping box i herd your new song good ride cowboy and fell in LOVE!!!!!! with it . STAY AWSOME -K- -YOUR BIGGEST FAN!!!!!!!!
- You know, this is an online encyclopedia, not a fan message board. Just FYI, in case you actually wanted to get your voice heard.--Nmajdan 03:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Support for gay rights
Why is this in the controversy section? Supporting gay rights is a pretty mainstream point of view these days (gay couples can even get married in several countries), and the section doesn't make any point about why his support is controversial. I admit that open support for gay rights may be unusual among country singers, but surely "controversial" is a little strong. Could it be moved to a different section of the article, perhaps one on Brooks' political views in general? --Grace 22:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I was bold and moved the section myself for the above reasons. It belongs with his charitable work, since he obviously sees it that way, appearing at a benefit concert and so on. --Grace 23:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "To his many fans the world over, he is a legend."
Doesn't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia.
- Gone. Wasted Time R 14:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] B-Class
Tons of info, pretty comprehensive. Needs major copyediting, the article is very POV in some spots ("living legend"?), the referencing needs to be expanded and conformed to WP:CITE. Basically, a causal reader could learn a lot, but it is no where near encyclopedia standards.--Esprit15d (talk ยค contribs) 21:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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- What other spots do you think are "very POV"? I've nuked the "living legend" bit. Wasted Time R 14:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I found a few other areas that were POV and removed them. I've also fixed the existing citations and added a few more (but there's LOTS left to verify), and I've started tweaking the text for a little more clarity. We also need to be careful in the controversies section -- I removed some comments in the section about a potential affair with Trisha Yearwood because they weren't sourced and could be libellous. Karanacs 16:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
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- There's one area where it isn't comprehensive, that's the stretch after The Chase and before Chris Gaines. What's there now doesn't describe the albums released during that period, the musical directions they took, Garth's attitude towards the industry, and so forth. Garth has a career arc that's pretty unique in the music industry, and that period of time needs to be better described to make sense of why the arc took the shape it did. Wasted Time R 21:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Anon here, I edited the "Hard Rock" section, in fact, I also was the perosn who added the reference to The Tonight Show performance with KISS in the first place. Firstly, Garth was not "chosen" to perform. The offer was made, he accepted. There is no doubt the influence KISS had on his performances, and he's said as much ininterviews. "Hard Luck Woman" was also not Peter Criss' "signature song." That was, and remains, "Beth." The additions are "Hard Luck Woman"" is the only song KISS musically contributed to the album. Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley produced the Anthrax track ("She") and Gene Simmons is the uncredited executive producer. I also chaged the POV of the word "feel" describing the song to "appeal" menaing the track, as a KISS song, would appeal more to a hard rock audience than a country audience, and yet the song was a minor chart hit, somwher ein the 60's onthe ocuntry chart as I recall. Not gang busters, but still got some air play. OVerall ithink the edits make the section less POV and more objective, and that's hard to do accomplish being a huge KISS fan and Garth fan.
[edit] Grammy nominations count
Does the grammy nominations number (7) reflect the nomination for this February's awards (the 49th Annual) for "Love Will Always Win" with Trisha Yearwood? If not, it needs a hike. Rj141 09:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
- Yes it does, see edit [1] of 10 Dec. Wasted Time R 12:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
