Talk:Genderfuck

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[edit] opinion

before you revert me yet again, notice what i added to back it up. what wrong with what i have now? Urthogie 04:24, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Is this page really nessisary? Isn't it just genderqueer with obsanity tacked onto it for "shock value"? Arcuras 19:29, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

"Genderqueer" with what? Anyway, genderqueer does not necessarily go with shock value, and neither does "genderfuck" go necessarily with obscenity. (If that is what you meant.) Besides, why not have the page? -- AlexR 22:09, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I was refering to the "fuck" suffix of the term "Genderfuck"... from the text of the current genderfuck article, the term (and a majority of the article) seems to simply mirror genderqueer, being no more then a variance of terminology. If I'm wrong on this, then this article needs to be significantly expanded to emphasize this difference, otherwise the term is simply "genderqueer" reworded in such a way to ensure it obtains the reader's/listener's notice. Arcuras 22:41, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

I agree that the article is somewhat improvable, and unfortunately I am not close enough to the relevant group to be able to improve it. I am positively certain, though, that both are two related, but different concepts. Actually, that is quite obvious from the articles, if one bothers to read them - genderfuck is first and foremost a "gender performance", genderqueer an identity. Theoretically, you don't have to be genderqueer to do genderfuck, although those who do genderfuck consciously probably are. Anyway, there is no reason for the merger, not even with the article as it currently stands. -- AlexR 14:50, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It is related to genderqueer, and there is some overlap, but it would be inaccurate to enclose it there. If I can, I'll expand on this - there are different histories to genderqueer and genderfuck.

[edit] Stub category

After recent arguments about which stub category this belongs in 9and I agree with AlexR that the ones previously given are far from accurate), I have changed this to fashion-stub. My argument for this is that Genderfuck is a deliberate fashion or style choice, albeit a deliberately provocative one. If anything, it's most easily comparable with the deliberate public wearing of bondage and fetish gear during the punk era of the late 1970s. Grutness|^hello? 06:51, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fashion stub? Come on... do we really have to pidgen hole every article into specific stub categories? This artile is to fashion as an improv group would be to fashion. Yes, fashion does have a part of it, but it's not the whole piece. Genderfucking is a direct challange of gender stereotypes, cultural stereotypes, and societal roles, and it achieves this thrugh various methods, unique to whomever is fucking with it.

These individuals are rebelling against labels. Ironically, that's exactly what people are trying to apply to them here. Arcuras 07:29, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

I think there is now an appropriate stub-category (LGBT-stub); I've changed it accordingly

Lectonar 12:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] annie lennox?

There is no mention of genderfuck or anything related that I can find in the article on Annie Lennox, nor is there (obviously) any reference in this page. Perhaps it's obvious to some, but it seems much less obvious than other performers listed here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.69.27.232 (talk) 08:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC).