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Contents 1 another patton anecdote 2 patton anecdote 3 Bonus Army 4 Eh?? 5 Quote 6 Dates of rank vs. Rank comparison to Eisenhower 7 George Smith Patton Jr? 8 Patton's Lineage 9 What? 10 Family expansion 11 Speculation

[edit] another patton anecdote

whilst watching a documentary on the aftermath of WWII. The story goes something like this: During the Berlin victory parade all the allies were showing off their latest and greatest weapons. The western allies parading their medium tanks (but the models have sliped my mind) the soviets had insisted that their vehicles came last in the procession. At the podium where all the senior officers were observing a british officer became quite alarmed by a rumbling of the earth, as a division of IS-III tanks drove past the British officer turned quite pale and looked very faint. It was at this point Patton apparently leaned in and whispered in his (the officer's) ear: "Dont worry, we're still on your side" Im not sure how much truth there is to the story but perhaps someone wiser has more information on the subject?

Tyler

Chalky17 23:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] patton anecdote

I remember hearing something about an instance where patton became frustrated and fired his pistol at a luftwaffe aircraft. I can't find any information on it anywhere..

Also, this article is really sloppy and needs a rewrite or cleanup or whatever... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.227.253.198 (talk) 19:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Bonus Army

In the biography that I read on General Patton (ISBN: 0060009829), it stated an interesting piece of irony during the cavalry charge against the bonus army. One of the members of the bonus army was the soldier who carried him to a medic (and saving his life) after he was wounded in World War I. I cannot recall the soldier's name and I do not have the book anymore, maybe someone else does and can help. Perhaps this should be added to the interwar years. notyouravgjoe 10:23, 18MAR06

The best information on GSP's involvement with the Bonus March I have taken from Volume of the GSP Papers, and you will find it here: Bonus Army. SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 04:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

The "bonus army".

There were casualities on both police and "bonus army" sides before the military took over. Some of the people involved in the "bonus army" were not World War One vets, and (most importantly) the army (under the command of MacArthur) managed (after it took over) to defeat the "bonus army" without killing any of them.

The Communist party accounts of all these events (which seem to be treated as if they were unbiased history) have no connection with the truth.

Paul Marks.

Oh please. The generally accepted order of events is that most of the casualties happened because of the Army attack on the protestors, not prior to the attack. (There also was at least one death--a baby overcome by Army tear gas.) And even if some of the protestors were not WWI vets, so what? This is, after all, the just fight that led directly to the formation of the Veterans Administration and the GI Bill--both considered good outcomes by pretty much any vet you talk to to this day. And are you saying that any accounts critical of government actions against the Bonus Army are "communist party accounts?" Looking over the historians that have researched the event, while it is true some are on the broad left, only a few have actually been communists, and the rest span the political spectrum. Whatever their political views, they either do good research or not. It's fairly easy to seperate straight opinion from balanced reportage. There is voluminous documentary evidence and oral history on hand for this particular incident. MacArthur's attack was widely criticised from all quarters, and the Hoover administration's handling of the affair is considered to have contributed to its downfall in the 1932 elections. So save the sweaty-palmed cold war rhetoric. Jpramas 1 December 2006

[edit] Eh??

some Generals like Patton were totally ignorant of the fact, many forms of battle trauma were not known at the time and described as cowardice

This sentence doesn't make sense... How could he be ignorant of something that wasn't known in those days... To be ignorant of something you must at least know that it exists... 62.235.149.179 19:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quote

Before I add it, is the quote "As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I have no fear, because I am the meanest and biggest US Marine in the entire damn valley" acceptable?CityPride 10:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dates of rank vs. Rank comparison to Eisenhower

It seems to me that these two sections really display the same information in two different formats. Are both really necessary? Thoughts? MikeMullins 03:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

They're not completely redundant, but it seems likely that they could easily be merged. --Elipongo ^{(Talk|contribs)} 06:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] George Smith Patton Jr?

Why isn't there an explanation for his name? His grandfather & father are named George Smith Patton. Wouldn't the General be George Smith Patton III. An explanation should be on this article. My guess is he was born after his grandfather's death & his father had a name change (George S. Jr to George S. Sr). GoodDay 20:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

There was an explanation in the article but it was removed. See a quick discussion here on an old talk page. I'm looking into it and will try to get it back in the article. MikeMullins 13:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Patton's Lineage

Several California museums historical archives cite the Yorba family of Alta California, and how Ramona Yorba married Benjamin Wilson, who was from Tennessee, became prosperous in early California partially by marring into the Yorba family...who were granted 200,000 acres of land in the 1700's, which is now Orange County Calif.

Benjamin Wilson and Ramona Yorba had a daughter, Ruth Wilson...who was George S. Patton's mother. That means the famous American general was 1/4 Mexican. DonDeigo 15:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

No, Ruth Wilson was daughter of Wilson's second wife, Margaret Hereford (see Benjamin Wilson link) But you could say the Wilson's money was 100% Mexican —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.159.133.255 (talk • contribs).

Negative....everything I have read in Wikipedia makes reference to Ramona Yorba as being Ruth Wilson's mother..only in this article is this distinct reference to the housekeeper as being his mother ...the Benjamin Wilson articles are clear about Ramona Yorba being Patton's Grand mother.....I think we need some citation DonDeigo 17:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The timeline below can be constructed from Patton A Genius For War (Carlo D'Este):

• 1844 Benjamin Wilson marries Ramona Yorba
• 1849 Ramona dies
• 1853 Wilson marries Margaret Hereford
• 1861 Ruth Wilson born

Ramona was not living when Ruth Wilson was born

[edit] What?

Can anyone else see that weird line of text in "the Patton sabre"? After the Olympics, Lt. Patton was made the Army's youngest-ever Master of the Sword. While Master of the Sword, Patton improved and modernized the Army's Cavalry Saber fencing techniques and designed the M1913 Cavalry Saber. TIME 4 BED! It had a large, basket-shaped hilt mounting a straight, double-edged, thrusting blade designed for use by heavy cavalry. Now known as the “Patton” saber, it was heavily influenced by the 1908 and 1912 Pattern British Army Cavalry Swords. It odesn't appear in the source...

[edit] Family expansion

I've expanded the family section because I think it is important background to show what influenced him growing up. He had great military tradition in his family and he spent his career trying to live up to it. Also, it's reasonable to mention he had kids. MikeMullins 15:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation

"Patton actually had the utmost respect for the men serving in his command..." (under "Patton's problems with humor, his image, and the press") - This seems slightly speculative. Is there any evidence to prove that Patton had the utmost respect for his men? Not that I doubt Patton's integrity, in fact I greatly admire him, but this doesn't really seem to be backed up by anything. Of course, if I've missed something, please tell me. James JCG Taylor 20:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

uh maybe the fact that he insited on being buried besides the "brave men that fought besides him at the battle of the bulge" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.89.183.250 (talk • contribs).

I remember reading that somewhere but I can't put my finger on it. I've added a {{fact}} tag to it. -- Mufka ^{(user) (talk) (contribs)} 22:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)