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[edit] International goals

While doing the stats table, I realised an error with the stat of four international goals scored. On Gilberto's sambafoot page, http://www.sambafoot.com/en/players/51_Gilberto_Silva.html - it lists Gilberto as having scored four international goals. One of the goals which is counted is an own goal against Uruguay: http://www.sambafoot.com/en/selecao/2003_World_Cup_Qualifications/361_Brazil_Uruguay.html. Own goals do not count towards the tally, so I took one away. I hope that saves someone thinking I've taken away a goal for no reason.

Also;

Martin tamb spotted a couple more errors with the Sambafoot international caps. Here is what he says:

About Gilberto's caps, I also use the same source as you from sambafoot.com, however, that list includes non official friendly matches. In that list, there are 4 non official friendly matches, which are: vs Selection of Catalonia 2002, vs Selection of Catalonia 2004, vs Sevilla FC 2005, vs Luzern Selection 2006. That's why I'm reducing his caps from 49(4) by 4. His total would be 45(4) from this source

To differ the official and non official matches, I use this page as reference, http://paginas.terra.com.br/esporte/rsssfbrasil/sel/brazila.htm.

Other problems with sambafoot.com is that they also include the matches for the Olympic football team. According to FIFA this does not account into national team caps. Fortunately, for Gilberto this wasn't a problem.

However, another source that i use is http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/team/squad.html?team=BRA. As this one is managed by FIFA, I assume this is the most reliable source. This stats only includes caps and goals at the end of World Cup 2006. You just need to add them with the recent 4 matches under Dunga. But this means he has only 44(3) caps.

That's when I use other source http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/braz-recintlp.html. This page has stats up to Norway match on August 2006. THe listing shows Gilberto has 41(3) caps and we need to add 3 recent matches which resulted to 44(3) caps.

I still doesn't know what caused the difference. All the matches (except those 4) in sambafoot listings were official matches. But two other sources shows that he only has 44(3) caps that's why I'm using that info. The only explanation that I'm thinking is that sambafoot confuses Gilberto (LB from Hertha) and Gilberto Silva for one occasion.

It seems that Martin is right there - so as of October 9 2006 (after the Kuwait friendly), his caps should stand at 44 with 3 international goals.

[edit] Gilberto images

These images are all uploaded to WP or the Commons. There have been copyright issues with a few of them in the past, even though they are all released by their respective creators under the Sharealike 2.0 license. I am putting this gallery here so I can see clearly all the images available, and for other people to discuss as they wish. -GilbertoSilvaFan 23:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Photo by Tom Miles, he released it under CC Sharealike 2.0. Perfect for article.	I took this. Small photo, substitute for the one to the left.	I took this. Would fit in 'outside football' section.	Photo by AndyPandyUK. Currently 'infobox' photo. Good photo, but maybe for use in main article rather than info box.
I took this. Very small and blurry photo. Only frontal photo of shirted Bert though.	I took this. Could be dumped from article...	I took this. Nice shot, doesn't enhance article though.	Jaime took this. GREAT photo, uploaded with proper copyright tags this time.

I would suggest trimming Image:Gilberto_School_Visit.jpg down so it only contains Mr Silva. As it is quite a high quality photo, it could be used in the info box. If/when I get my photoshop working, I will also enhance my photo as the it was taken with an old phone camera at the time. Of course the ideal photograph would be a frontal photograph of Gilberto whilst playing football, similar to Image:Gilberto Silva.png but higher quality, without the net and a football. Image:Gilberto Interview.jpg could also do with a little tweaking as it seems rather dull, not offence. ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andypandy.UK (talk • contribs) 17:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for the comments Andeh, much obliged. My brain is in bullet point mode today, so check this, yo.

I am now in the process of procuring this photo (or a cropped version) for the infobox. Negotiations are under way.
I cropped the school photo (see above), though not how you suggested. This is due to the above point (ie. it isn't needed for the info box anymore, so instead I just cut out lots of gym-wall.)
If you could pretty-up your camera phone photo at any point, that would be smashing.
Image:Gilberto Silva.png will soon no longer be needed, hooray.
You are certainly right about Image:Gilberto_Interview.jpg, it is dull indeed. It'll probably end up getting replacerated with Image:Gilberto_Silva_Streetleague.jpg.

Thanks for your input again, I'll message you once I've rearranged all the images, and if you're in the mood, you can say what you think. Being God, I'd say you are certainly entitled to this. -GilbertoSilvaFan 17:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notes on a spoken article

Here are a few notes, to nobody in particular, about the spoken version of this article which I added recently.

It is my first spoken article, though I have done a few pronunciation recordings on Wiktionary before
I did this recording over a time period of about four months. This is why my voice varies quite substantially in pitch and tone throughout the article. Also; at the time of recording some of the latter paragraphs, I also had a cold. I suppose people would advise against recording with a cold... but what else is there to do when off sick, other than record spoken articles?
I used Audacity to record this. Resizing Firefox and Audacity into half a screen each (pic) seemed to work best for me.
I held a home-made 'fluff reducer' in front of the microphone for all of the recording. I used the old coat-hanger trick, except instead of spreading a pair of tights over the wire (I don't have any tights, let alone an old pair), I taped a large tissue over it. Here's a pic of my contraption.
I do not pretend like I am an expert at spoken recordings; far from it. I know that my voice is very radio un-friendly, and I don't have a naturally narrative tone. I also stumble when I read aloud. However, I don't think that any of this should stop me (or anybody) from giving spoken articles a go. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GilbertoSilvaFan (talk • contribs) 10:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Goals section

The goals section is ballooning. While his recent run of goals is good for Gilberto, it isn't so good for his goal table. Should it be removed from the article? Added to a subpage? Left as it is? Your comments would be much appreciated. Please take a look and post what you think! Thanks :-) GilbertoSilvaFan 09:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

just the career table is okay, but with a list detailing each goal seems too much, even if he is not as prolific as this season in future. Chensiyuan 09:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Good to hear from you, Chensiyuan. What are your thoughts on having a sub page housing his goal table? I mean, if I'm really honest, I'd say that the goal table isn't very useful at all. I don't imagine anybody who comes across the article really looks at it for more than a few seconds. I suppose if a sub page for his goals exists, all kinds of other sub pages could exist too, which would all be equally as trivial. Maybe I'll just move the goal table to my user page for... strategical sheep purposes. And maybe I'm just thinking out aloud. Or talking to myself. Anyway, thanks for your input. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GilbertoSilvaFan (talk • contribs) 10:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

it's really up to you, i know i've seen this done in the NBA context e.g. Dwyane Wade who has a decent subpage for all his on-court achievements. i'm not one of those pesky people who slap speedy delete on such subpages, but there may just be one or two out there who have nothing better to do but destroy subpages. Chensiyuan 10:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Sound advice. Thanks. I just did some reading and realised I've been using the term 'subpage' when what I had in mind wasn't really a subpage by definition. So really, Career achievements of Dwyane Wade isn't really a subpage, and nor would an article called Gilberto Silva goals, (but Gilberto Silva/Goals obviously would be). Do you know of any guideline on this type of non-slash-subpage? I'll have a look around anyway. Thanks again. GilbertoSilvaFan 11:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

yup i guess it won't really be called a subpage, i know what you mean. however, i do not really know of any guidelines. the Dwyane Wade example is kind of exceptional, and his achievements page was really created to placate people who constantly update his page every other second over every other achievement, e.g. youngest player ever in the NBA to record 18 points 10 rebounds 8 assists, which is really not a very noteworthy statistic, but gains notice only because NBA.com is hugely obsessed with all manner of latest "records", and fans pounce on these. which is why i think if a new article was created for GS's achievements, pesky people would come and question its need - although i wouldn't, because i find these people counterproductive. anyways, you did a great job on the GS article, i wish all soccer articles were anything close to what you have done... Chensiyuan 12:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Had a play about yesterday, here's what I came up with:

the draft goals page
the draft goals page link

Comments greatly appreciated before I update the actual article. GilbertoSilvaFan 12:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Right. I went ahead with those changes yesterday, and after a speedy deletion tag was put on Gilberto Silva goals, I managed to convince User:ArglebargleIV that the article should stay. Check Talk:Gilberto_Silva_goals for details. If anyone has comments or suggestions about the new page, please do post them! GilbertoSilvaFan 11:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

sounds and looks good! Chensiyuan 04:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stats source

Noticed a little contradictory editing over Gilberto's height, possibly stemming from these two sources:

I don't really want to clog up the infobox with references to the same place so I'll let someone else (GilbertoSilvaFan perhaps?) find a way to incorporate them. Just judging by first impressions, I'd say the second website seems more reliable. QmunkE 20:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks QmunkE. Now I know where these allegations of 185cm (6'1") are coming from! ;-) The reason I keep reverting Gilberto's height to 6'3", is that Gilberto actually told me he's 191cm. I know that sounds a bit silly!... it's true though. I know I should cite an actual source for the statistic, but it seems wrong to just cite him as being 185cm because of [misinformed] websites, when I know for a fact that he is 191cm. What do you suggest? Just cite one of the sites which say he's 191? Or cite contradicting source and say he's in between? Or just cite neither (like it currently is)? Anyway. Thanks for all your work, I'm always very appreciative of people who spend time helping out on Bertie's article.

All the best, GilbertoSilvaFan 21:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Found two more sources which support the 1.91m figure

I'd say that's a decent enough majority to confirm it, pick whichever. Maybe use one which contains most/all of the biographical information in the infobox (DOB, full name etc.) and source them together somehow? Or individually, whichever seems best. QmunkE 21:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

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