Talk:Glossary of ballet

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Is there a difference between a glossary of terms and an encyclopedia entry? How could this be turned into Wikipedia material? Wetman 09:54, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

It is quite often useful to have all words from a narrow domain in one place. Glossary is microdictionary. Hence think of the difference between wikipedia and wiktionary. If a term deserves much to write about, a separate article is welcome, otherwise it is not wise :-) See, a similar Glossary of ballroom dance terms. Mikkalai 11:14, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

perhaps a notational form could be used to illustrate the various terms, labanotation or Benesh Movement Notation ? Ohka- 21:03, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Third position 2 Dance 3 Possible vandalism - First position 4 Turn-out 5 Where's the J? 6 enchainement vs variation 7 Ballet arm positions are wrongly named 8 Before you edit my changes 9 On Terminology 10 2007-02-1 Automated pywikipediabot message 11 Foot Positions

[edit] Third position

I believe the third position of the feet shown here is not correct.Gioland71

[edit] Dance

I love dance!!! <3AmAnDa

[edit] Possible vandalism - First position

Couuld someone please check whether the change by user 168.212.65.126 (known frequent vandal) is valid? here

Pavel Vozenilek 21:47, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Valid, althouigh not very literate. It was loooong time ago and probably different user. Mikkalai 22:37, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Turn-out

I've seen 'turn-out' mentioned a lot, but there's no entry for it here, at least not in terms of dance. Is it synonymous with technique? Can someone who knows please explain with a new entry.

Please. I was about to ask the same question. --Hhielscher 01:21, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Turnout is rotation of the legs outwards from the hips. So no turnout would be both feet having the toes of a foot on the ground pointing straight forwards, 180 degrees is the right foot pointing straight to the right of the body and the left toes going left. The legs are maintained in this rotated position during all the movements in classical ballet. The rotation should all come from the hip but the feet can be forced into a more turned-out (closer to sideways) position by rotating the knees and ankles. However, this is very poor technique, known as "forcing turnout" and it causes injury to the dancer. Proper alignment from the hips is most easily identified by bending the knees. If they are directly over the toes, the turnout is all from the hips. If they are in front of the toes this means the dancer is forcing their turnout, and probably also pronating their ankles (rolling to place weight on the inside of the arch). I don't have time to write up a quality section on it but hopefully I can clear up the questions on the talk page. Source is my own experience taught by faculty of SAB and members of NYCB but probably a valid online source can also be found. puppies_fly 16:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow, this dancer pictured here with her pointe shoes on to display the basic foot positions is rolling in on her feet terribly! I doubt this person is a dancer. It hurts me just to look at it. Can someone find some better pictures with proper demonstration of the basic foot positions. 121.1.187.9 03:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)Carlina

[edit] Where's the J?

Where's the J section? what about jeté?--Sonjaaa 22:09, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] enchainement vs variation

anyone know the difference

Enchainement: a combination of steps which fit into a phrase of music. Variation: a ballet solo. Gioland71 01:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ballet arm positions are wrongly named

I think that the arm positions described here are not the ones used at the Bolshoi (which follows the Vaganova method). Anybody else on this? If I do not get any comments I will proceed and correct it. They seem to be the arm positions in the Cecchetti syllabus, or maybe French school. Gioland71 01:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Before you edit my changes

Please consider that editing this entries costed me some time. I have some experience in ballet (mostly Vaganova method), but I decided to validate my ideas before typing and so I went through an extensive research on the following books: 'Basic principles of classical ballet' (A. Vaganova), 'Theory and practice of classical theathrical dancing - methode Cecchetti' (C. Beaumont), 'Technical manual and dictionary of classical ballet' (G. Grant), 'Danza e metodo' (M. Fusco). If you wish to make any changes, please ensure that what you learned in your classes is actually part of a published syllabus (RAD would be most welcome). Thanks. PS: none of the text I wrote is taken from these books; I used them as a reference for the correct naming of the positions described in the text. PPS: I left out a lot about the arm positions... There is the whole part on the arms in arabesque still missing...

[edit] On Terminology

I found the existing article very helpful when checking the spelling of ballet terms I never learned to write. This would be more helpful if it included as many terms as possible. I have only studied in a school claiming to teach "American" style - supposedly a mix of all styles - but the terms I have been looking for the spelling of:
saut de chat {pronounced "sō-də-shǎ" (a leap similar to grand jeté but beginning with a developpé)}
tembé {pronounced "tǒm-bě" meaning "to fall" (often happens before a pas de bourrèe)}
enveloppé {pronounced "on-VEL-o-pĕ"(a developpé in reverse)}
en closhe {pronounced "on-clōsh" or "on-clǒsh" (a degagé that brushes back and forth through first position)}

Being from an "American" school, will the terms I have learned for steps benefit this article?

Liquid06 03:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Foot Positions

someone put the following in the part about the five possitions:

All of these photos of the positions of the feet with pointe shoes are extreme examples of the student rolling in and not "holding her arches up" and standing with the proper weight distribution on her feet. (Let's find photos with better technique)

Now while this in un encyclopedic in its phrasing (especialy the last part) I felt maybe there could be a point of mentoning it in dicussion 71.131.42.85 09:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)