Talk:Gundam (mobile suit)

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So hows it looking now? Diablo-D3 09:41, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I hate the new changes. The words are way to spread out in the system/armament listings. The pictures look odd and out of place for a lot, the most obvious being the Gundam Development Project mobile suits. In my opinion it looked better before your formatting changes. The only change I'd make is put the system/armament listings back to the way they were before your refit. User-Name 16:01, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

So, basically, move all the images right again? I'm going to be trying to fix the weirdness with the tables too, but I'm leaving them. Diablo-D3 05:21, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Actucally I really just hate the tables. It looks very disorganized. I perferred using the <br> tags. For example, look at the GP01 data. It's way too spaced out IMO. Looks very bad. User-Name 00:37, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hrm, bleh, I'll rollback the tables then, but I'll also have to move all images right. Diablo-D3 19:43, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Removal of Blue Destiny Units 2 RX-78-7 3 RX-78 Gundam Casval Rem Deikun Custom 4 RX-78-8? 5 Saving this article. 6 Got some cool figures 7 Add everything back! 8 Request pagemove 9 keep the name

[edit] Removal of Blue Destiny Units

Personally, I think we should get rid of the Blue Destiny Gundams because their uncanon, video game spawn Gundams. We should have only canon RX-78 Gundams, which means removing them. Now if someone wants to set up a Blue Destiny page, be my guest. More Gundam, the better. But it should also be in the right places.

I don't agree with that. Being game original unit doesn't mean they aren't uncanon MS. If we got to remove them, it would be more make sense to creat new article for whole RX-79 model. L-Zwei 07:12, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wait a second, video game spawn gundams? The Blue Destinies came from a manga, if I remember properly.

Yes, the BD series also have a Manga featuring them. And guess what, the manga is called Blue Destiny. But it is spawned as video game before the story is written into manga.

MythSearcher 08:13, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RX-78-7

I have added RX-78-7 and RX-78-8 which appeared in MSV and M-MSV. I know that RX-78-8 never have a picture but RX-78-7, FA-78-3 and FHA-78-3 should have.

However, I cannot find decent quality pictures for these units. If anyone have them, please upload and modify the post.

MAHQ.net got some picture, but it is not very clear.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/mscollection/rx-78-7.htm

Thank you

MythSearcher 08:02, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RX-78 Gundam Casval Rem Deikun Custom

In the Video game Gihren's Greed, there is an RX-78 C.A. built after Char Aznable took over control from the Zabi's. The unit got the design of RX-78-2 but the inside is totally Zeon technology.

There is also a Titans version of RX-78 in the same game.

not to say that these should be added in here, but just a sidenote on other RX-78s

Also, the RX-78GT4 series should be added in here, too. If anyone got detailed description and pictures of it, it would be nice.

MythSearcher

[edit] RX-78-8?

From what basis is there an 8th Gundam? I looked through MAHQ.net's MSV and M-MSV sections and found nothing on it.

Try reading the original MSV, there are no picture of it but it is said to have been planned after the 7th Gundam. However, even 7th is incomplete and therefore no further development is continued. So it is the legendary 8th Gundam that never, and never will appear in any of the series.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%A0_(%E6%9E%B6%E7%A9%BA%E3%81%AE%E5%85%B5%E5%99%A8)

In MSV,(not M-MSV)

放映当時はガンダムは映像に現れた1機しか存在しないという設定であったが、後に小説版『機動戦士ガンダム』においてアムロの搭乗したガンダムは2号機という設定が生まれ、みのり書房発行の雑誌「OUT」別冊『宇宙駆ける戦士たち GUNDAM CENTURY』にてさらにその設定は発展した。そして『モビルスーツバリエーション』 (MSV) の誕生によりアニメ準備稿からプロトタイプガンダム（1号機）が、小説版からG-3ガンダム（3号機）が生まれ、さらに全部で8機が製造されたという設定になった。RX-78という型式番号の後の数字には機体の仕様（バージョン）の意味が持たされたが、後に機体の製造番号の意味に変更され、RX-78-2ならば、RX-78シリーズの2番目に製造された機体という意味となった。G-3ガンダム以降の機体はMSVではRX-78初期試作型（一説にRX-78-2）の4-8号機という文字のみの設定であったが、バンダイ出版発行の雑誌「SDクラブ」で連載された『大河原邦男コレクション』 (M-MSV) にて4-7号機が再設定され、独自の型式番号が与えられている。

We can see that there is a documented official saying about having RX-78-8. However, no further settings are given.

MythSearcher 02:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Saving this article.

OK - I'm not a gundam expert or fan - but to save the article I suggest the following -

1) ramp up the real world cultural relevence section.

2) Remove most of the images

3) Remove most of the stats.

Over on the AFD someone mentioned the X-wing page - maybe people should look at that as a model.

--Charlesknight 12:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh and the development of the Gundam should be described more in terms of the series they were in - not in terms of the events of the series - if you follow me. --Charlesknight 12:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Objection on the X-wing as a model. That page is just as bad as this one, it does not really have any real world references other than the Star Wars literature that non-fans cannot understand. The only reference link is starwars.com stuff, and definitely a primary source, not a secondary one. It requires even more clean up than this one. I would suggest using the featured article Link (The Legend of Zelda) as a model instead. MythSearcher^talk 14:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

The article looks a lot better however the history is still far too in-universe, it should be rewritten to talk about which versions appeared in which series (maybe chronologically - maybe a different way - I don't know much about the series). --Charlesknight 19:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't get this statement. The history segment to me refers to the original designer (in the real world's) construction of the mobile suit design during the planning of the manga/anime/novels. Do you think we need to clarify that Tomino was the mechanical designer for the show, not in the show? Kyaa the Catlord 19:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No I mean I don't get any sense what is a reference to a character or a series and no real indication to when various versions appeared in the real world. Maybe the fictional history (maybe could be called appearance history) could be something like follows:

Series name: In this series, the original Gundam model XXX appeared. This series covered the war about the right to grow bannanas on the moon.

This was followed by:

Series name:

or something like that and all of the series names would be links back to the series articles?

--Charlesknight 19:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

ah - I see the confusion - I'm refering to the "in-fiction" history. --Charlesknight 19:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I gotcha! :P My Gundamfu isn't up to this, I'm only a casual fan. Would creating a timeline which marks the appearance of the mobile suits and which series they belong to be considered OR? This would probably work well, if its allowable. (I honestly believe this information was in the specs section that was removed earlier but I don't remember.) Kyaa the Catlord 19:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Well as long it as it has the real world dates that the series aired and then the fictional date they occured - I don't see a problem? Any lurkers want to pipe up with problems? ideas? --Charlesknight 19:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I already put first appearance serie for each model, with link, episode number (if available), specify which media the serie is (TV serie, OVA, model kit/original design, manga or video game) along with real world designer (with link) and if it got redesign for different media, I also add that. It may be my mistake to put it at the end of each model section instead of starting part, but it doesn't matter anymore, all of them are deleted. *sigh*

Not that I have anything with TheFarix, I known he done it to save this article. This whole mess just made me depress. L-Zwei 05:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey neat, Japan issued a stamp with this particular mobile suit on it! [1] Kyaa the Catlord 18:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Get it in there! (what are the copyright issues with displaying stamps?) --Charlesknight 18:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I know the website that it is linked is one dedicated to stamp collection and bears warnings about printing them out. :P Kyaa the Catlord 19:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, we do not need to have the actual picture up there, state the printing and issue date of the stamp in the article, put a little link next to it linking to this source, puff, we got a sourced reference of its significance. I will be doing that right now. MythSearcher^talk 04:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Got some cool figures

Monthly Bandai Making Journal, July 1988, we have some sales figure.

Scale Model price Units sold

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1980

1/144 Gundam 300yen 5850k

1/100 Gundam 700yen 3060k

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1981

1/60 Gundam 2000yen 620k

1/144 B‧Gundam(韓國製) 300yen 280k

1/100 B‧Gundam(韓國製) 700yen 50k

1/72 Mechanic Gundam 2500yen 250k

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1982

1/100 Realtype Gundam 700yen 610k

I have numbers for other models, too. MythSearcher^talk 04:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Add everything back!

Just kidding, I just add trimmed-down info of other variants back to article. Hope it isn't too crufty now. I think few of them shall be expand more, like Alex which is a center mech of 0080 OVA. L-Zwei 13:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request pagemove

The new page name is slightly misleading. I base this on two grounds.

1. An article titled "Gundam (mobile suit)" seems to me like the midpoint between the main Gundam article and articles such as those dealing with each 'series' of Gundams on their own (Universal Century Gundam suits, After Colony Gundam suits,... etc).
2. The article as it stands is solely about the RX-78 line of suits, which is one type of Gundam amongst many types of Gundams.

I'd like to suggest moving this article to a title that better reflects the contents of this article... something along the lines of RX-78 Gundam. I'm incredibly cautious about doing such a move without other's thoughs, considering the recent AfD of Doom and subsequent overhaul to a far superior article. So this is just me getting a though out in the air.

Ideas? Comments? -- saberwyn 08:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree on moving it to another name, but not RX-78 Gundam(Which this page was moved from) per the discussion in WP:GUNDAM. Maybe there should be a page called Gundam type mobile suits made, or this page renamed to Gundam (RX-78 series) or Gundam (Mobile Suit Gundam). either way, since this name is used in so many places, it is very hard to have a name that is short and not confusing... Maybe discussing in the WP:GUNDAM talk page will be better. MythSearcher^talk 03:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] keep the name

I believe the people asking for deletion or change of this article are anomaly to the sanity. this mobile suit is the main design that has been followed to create and design new mobile suits. this is the SOURCE. this is the ORIGIN of the "ICON". this is not a series of RX-78 etc. This is THE Quintessential mobile suit. as for discussion why not remove bible and other religous stuff on wiki or you guys may also delete jesus page saying that " hey most people have heard the story anyhow...." i mean , get a life. go to a shrink. get some morals, get a check up. ( in the movie "Day after tomorrow" the guy saved the old bible book just because it was a record, a record of human essence. that guy had a good soul ) if he was a deletionist, bible would have been the first to go in the fire.

Danraz 06:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)