Talk:Gymnopédie

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See also: Talk:Erik Satie

[edit] Need more on the music itself - style and sound

It would really be excellent if the page on these could discuss their style and sound, rather than briefly noting the circumstances of their writing and subsequent modification and meditating extensively on whether they mean Satie was gay, which is what it does now. —Vivacissamamente 00:17, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

See expansion request at Gymnopédie#The music --Francis Schonken 07:40, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I have attempted to describe the music in a little more detail as requested but is this sufficient? Still the majority of the music section concentrates on what constitutes ambient music and the relationship to Eno. I may have another attempt once I've had a chance to think about it a bit more. - Adrianward 08:29, 26 January 2006 {UTC}

Hi, thanks! I'm still hoping someone would make a harmonical analysis: I've been looking around but couldn't find one yet (and I'm not all that experienced to make one myself) - I think that should also explain their exceptional nature (maybe even more than them being "complex" and/or "irregular") - their "complexity" shouldn't be exaggerated though: they're simple (very simple) melodies on a simple (very simple) harmonic background, these compositions have no exceptional (and not really a "complex" or "irregular") structure, etc... --Francis Schonken 09:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Isan's versions are documented at http://www.isan.co.uk/discography.htm 68.43.25.206 18:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think a description of the three movements with titles and translations would be very helpful.

Hi guys, I know this isn't the right place for it, But I'm having trouble understanding what chords to play on the Treble Clef at the beggining of the 1st Gymnopedie, I think they're BDF ACF (but they just don't sound right) Does any1 know where there is a forum where I can discuss how to play Gymnopedie please? Ryan4314 17:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Try the newsgroup rec.music.makers.piano - Google Groups can help you locate it. Oscar 03:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use in Media

I don't know if there's a good place to put this, but the 1st gymnopédie is used at the beginning of episode 12 of the Japanese cartoon Love Hina, which is where I first heard it, although since it is uncredited (as far as I can tell, I can't read Japanese) I had a really hard time tracking it down :(

It also sounded really familiar, so I'm sure it's been used in other shows, movies, commercials, etc, but I can't think of any specifically. FredNash

Yeah I first heard it in Short Circuit 2, then saw it on a mates phone years later Ryan4314 02:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, Gymnopédie No. 1 can be heard towards the end of the Star Trek: TNG episode "Where Silence Has Lease." Captain Picard is sitting alone in his quarters listening to it while waiting for the impending deaths of himself and his crew. When Councellor Troi and Data enter, Picard expounds his theory on the nature of death while this beautiful melody plays.

Another reference, this time in film, is during the final scene of "My Dinner With Andre," a 1981 film by Louis Malle, when Wallace Shawn contemplates his conversation with his friend, Andre Gregory.

[edit] Copyediting

Per the "clean-up" box, I started copyediting the article to provide more of an encyclopedic tone.

I removed the following phrase: "rhythms shift out of phase, phrases terminate mid-flow and key signatures shift much more commonly than usual". The first two are just not true. The rhythm is consistently that of a 3/4 note followed by a half note, except for the last 2 measures. And there are no phrases which terminate mid-flow. As noted above by Francis Schonken, the pieces are rather simple. The most unconventional aspect of the compositions are the harmonies (dissonance) and the chord progressions.

While copyediting, I moved the Music section to the beginning since this is the standard encyclopedic structure. As noted above, there needs to be more information on the actual music itself. Right now, there is more stuff (or fluff) on Ambient Music and on musings on the origin of the word than there is on the music itself.

I would be happy to discuss these or other changes, and thanks, Oscar 02:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)