Talk:Hafiz (Quran)
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Does anyone have a source for the statement that 10 million people are believed to have memorized the Qur'an? I believe it was added by Zain. Many thanks, SlimVirgin 03:31, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Rewrite
The article was very Muslim-POV; I've given it a springcleaning. I removed the stats re number of huffaz, as there's absolutely no way of verifying them. The hadith need links to the MCSA hadith page. More external links would be nice too. Perhaps a picture of a hafiz reciting? Zora 01:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Suggest Merging with Hafez
Since this has the same spelling as the Sufi master poet, is it possible to merge the two? Or you can leave it as it is.
- you wouldnt want to merge em. just make a disambiguation page. Yung Wei 03:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Question on detail and further sources
I am curious to know about Gender and hafiz. Do women ever become Hafiz. It would also be good if some sources were cited that actually give more information. This topic is actually in need of elaboration as it is a common occurence and yet little information is really give. Please can others help? --Peej 05:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
even 6 year old girl can became Hafiz. [1] 89.49.149.44 19:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] No, we don't need a list of hafiz
Millions of people are and have been hafiz. A list is completely pointless. Zora 02:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Millions of people are also left-handed people. I view the list as very productive, much more so than List of democrats, List of war criminals or List of criminals by nickname.--Striver 12:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
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- One dumb decision doesn't necessitate another. Some people on Wikipedia like making lists, which gives the illusion of useful work and research without being of the slightest use or interest to readers. Zora 19:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- A list of Hafiz would be nice, but as a seperate article, IMO... Maybe even as a category. Ramadan Mubarak all, BTW. --Irishpunktom\talk 20:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- I would say it's relatively useless. But I think the other lists give precedent to create it? Please make it on a different page, however, and make sure the stuff is cited. That way there will be only one link on this page to List of hafiz. I would agree with Zora that it is an illusion for useful research but that's a lot of what Wikipedia is. It's trivia lists is one thing that has made it so popular. So, I don't see a problem on a separate page--but let good research reign on this one. gren グレン 20:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- So far, i have only added people whose artile explicitly have said that they had memorized the Qur'an, and not simply were labeled "hafiz". And even in those cases, i made sure to add [citation needed] when no direct source was state. Is that good enough for starters? Should i take that as i am being told to creat List of hafiz? I would hate to create it, and then have it afd'd and not receiving support, that is why i started it small on this article. --Striver 21:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- I am not saying you should create it. I'm saying it shouldn't be on this page and disagreeing with Zora that it shouldn't be created. There are tons of lists like that aren't particularly useful but aren't harmful in my opinion. I do think it's harmful in the article but I don't have a problem with the list providing you keep it sourced. But, I'm not telling you to create it. gren グレン 03:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- So far, i have only added people whose artile explicitly have said that they had memorized the Qur'an, and not simply were labeled "hafiz". And even in those cases, i made sure to add [citation needed] when no direct source was state. Is that good enough for starters? Should i take that as i am being told to creat List of hafiz? I would hate to create it, and then have it afd'd and not receiving support, that is why i started it small on this article. --Striver 21:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rob a picture from the BBC?
See this Link here? Can we rob that picture of that poor girl, Amina Abdul-Majid from Somalia? --Irishpunktom\talk 20:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- It wouldn't be fair use in this article. If you made an article about her it would be... but, she's not really notable enough for one. gren グレン 20:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Questionable Hadith
"Whoever reads the Qur’an and memorises it, while he regards what it makes lawful as lawful and its unlawful as forbidden (i.e. he practices according to it), Allah Ta’ala will admit him into Jannah and will accept his intercession on behalf of ten such persons of his family who were doomed to the fire of Jahannam" (Tirmidhi).
This Hadith is laughable to anyone who has actually read the quran as it directly conflicts with the recurring idea that nobody will be able to help anyone else on judgement day; all that matters is the record of your actions and thoughts on earth. Perhaps a note should be added to that effect?--Hypehuman 06:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
