Talk:Hajime Sorayama

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Why are "anime" and "manga" mentioned in comparison? They don't seem to have anything to do with the subject. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Theodore Kloba (talk • contribs).

[edit] Article neutrality

There's a number of neutrality issues in this article, such as:

"He does ASFR drawings of female pin ups and erotic art that are super realistic and also draws robot women, cyborgs and other illustrations of humans and animals."

Unless "super realism" is an art form, this should be reworded to be more neutral, as the realism can be debated and is not a judgement for Wikipedia to make.

...well, I'd like to reply by pointing out that the phrase 'super realism' has, in fact been coined to refer to this form of art...the subject matter, although of course subject to artistic vision, is presented in a form so detailed and authentic as to defy one's eyes to recognize it as a work of art, rather than a representation of that which exists...some would consider it 'photorealistic' and that isn't a stretch, when the subject could have been posed so...but when the subject doesn't exist, and is created of imagination, to create a representation on paper of such accuracy and realism goes beyond what can be real to 'super real'.

"... while simultaneously raising the level of skill and craftsmanship in the field to new heights."

So he has affected the craftmanship in this field in general? Then this claim would definitely need a source.

...you simultaneously exaggerate and minimize, sir...of course no one man can simultaneously increase the talents of those around him in any field...but he can raise the bar, and show them a higher level to which to aspire...and by so doing, they may very well improve.

"He is also described as one of the most significant erotic artists of the 20th century."

This bold statement is unfortunately currently unsourced.

"The pinup art of Sorayama is delicious and erotic, blending the soft contours of the female form with the industrialized shiny metal "skin" of the humanoid "android" that is bound to both arouse and shock the viewer. Sorayama's "real women" pinups are sexy, intriguing, and seem "real to the touch". The robots, and combinations of the two, are shiny, glistening, and sleekly attractive."

According to whom, exactly? The article should not make judgements about deliciousness, sexiness, reality and attractiveness at least. Although I can personally see the artistic skill in these pictures, people do have different views on attraction in art.

...regardless of your personal viewpoint on Sorayama's work, the skill with which it is produced is beyond reproach...this man has a remarkable talent for illustration, and he chooses to ilustrate that which fascinates him...if you find depictions of nudes to be unattractive, or the idea of cybernetics disturbing, or fetish/bondage repulsive, I would suggest that you're viewing the wrong artist to suit your tastes...this is not meant in any pejorative sense, it's merely an observation that you seem to attack the simple praise that is given to the artist, for no other reason than that You personally find his work unattractive...in this respect, you are offering your opinion to a forum that is primarily comprised of fans of the artist...rather similar to rolling a stone up a hill, you will achieve very little in the attempt...we know what we like, and whether or not you agree is of no concern whatsoever.

Spyder —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.196.142.8 (talk) 12:01, November 18, 2006

-- Northgrove 08:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)