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This article was nominated for deletion on 3 January 2007 (UTC). The result of the discussion was Speedy Keep. |
[edit] Protection?
The world needs to know the full truth about Hal Turner. Unprotect Hal's entry immediately before it is too late!
[edit] Racist Edits
Can we do something about the constant racist edits? People talking about "black savages" and the thing in references about "Jewish Censorship". I don't know how to edit the references. Also, can we get S-Protection on this page?
[edit] Adam Reimar?
Why is there a picture man called Adam Reimar who was allegedly questioned about the raid even though there is no source or evidence suggesting so? It looks like some guy just uploaded his pic to the page. Alexgmcm (Not signed in)
No raid was mentioned in the article, so why is there a picture referencing it? 66.190.69.243 05:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the image. -- Jmax- 09:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sourcing
The quote in the section is incorrect. Where it says "for the laughs", it should instead say "for the lulz". The current misquote is akin to writing the famous Bushism as "[t]hey underestimated me." 69.37.50.79 08:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I changed it to its truthful form. we do indeed attack 4 the lulz, not the laughs. laughs are worthless. ONX 22:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Are there any sources on the feud with prank callers? Hal Turner took down most of the pages that started this mess, threads on 4chan's /b/ die in an hour or two, and the thread on 7chan's /i/ aren't going to stay up forever. We should find a some reliable sourcing on this "lol Internet war". --Transfinite 17:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Not a neutral source but its a source: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Hal_Turner Take the ******* out of the middle, its blocked by wiki. SACP 09:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Encylopedia Dramatica is blacklisted at the software level and banned by the arbitration commitee. I was hoping for something that can actually be cited. --Transfinite 19:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)--Transfinite 05:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I cleaned up the citations with Template:Web cite. I had a edit conflict with User:Jbs36, I just copy-pasta'd copy-pasted the content in. (as a side note, this is what I do with my New Year's Eve?) --Transfinite 04:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I meant to mention this, I removed the link to the stormfront forums, since online forums are not reliable sources. Anyway, the fewer "Illegal in Germany" warnings, the better. --Transfinite 05:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Found this on the 4chan article: [1]. An actual reliable source. --Transfinite 04:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Here's a blog from the POV of the Channel Network: http://turnerchan.blogspot.com/. It provides a pretty good account of the events leading up to the conflict. --Anonymous —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.197.235.125 (talk • contribs) 07:24, January 11, 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Dear Hal Turner"
I removed a section from the section "Feud with prank callers" that starts out with "Dear Hal Turner". That section has serious NPOV problems, and also there are copyright violation concerns, since it is a copy of something posted on 7chan.org's /i/ board [2]. I don't like Hal Turner myself, but there is no need to call him "an uppity little bitch". --Transfinite 23:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- Quoting a source that says Turner is "an uppity little bitch" doesn't mean that the Wikipedia community is calling him "an uppity little bitch". It has nothing to do with who doesn't like Hal Turner or not or whether he's "an uppity little bitch" or not... it's just a quote. Cowicide 05:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Article listed for deletion
Please make appropriate comments here. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 18:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Why delete this article? It has been decided that it is A. Notable and B. actively involved with a current event with large legal/political ramifications. More interesting than the feud itself is the application of DDoS law to a large group of people. --Eyaw Nayr 19:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- What is this passive aggressive approach most of Wikipedia has towards internet culture? What, did ED make you feel butt hurt so you feel the most of the internet communities out there are garbage? And what would be interesting to me is how you could apply DDoS law to downloading images repeatedly on your own computer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.207.105.30 (talk • contribs) 17:47, January 13, 2007 (UTC)
- There AfD has been delisted. The result (obviously) was keep. When the AfD was originally listed, there was a question of his notability. However, this issue has been decided. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 19:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hal Turner calls for political assassinations?
This article is a must read. Assuming that, uhh, WingNutDaily is a reliable source, some of this should probably go into the article. --Cyde Weys 17:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, Hal claims that he opines about the assassinations of elected officials. The border between opining and actually advocating is somewhat fickle. This is just my opinion, so take it as you will. Ulairix 20:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Turner seems to be openly calling for the assassination of members of Congress if a bill he believes to be wrong is passed. His reported words do not allow much interpretation. As these seem to violate several US federal laws (IANAL but Sections 351, 2384 and 2385 all seem to apply), these statements calling members of Congress who vote for laws granting 'amnesty' for illegal aliens "A DOMESTIC ENEMY" and saying they "WILL BE CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE TARGET FOR ASSASSINATION" or "Sorry to have to be so blunt, but the country is in mortal danger from our present government and our liberty is already near dead because of this government. If you are too stupid to turn things around with your vote, there are people out here like me who are willing to turn things around with guns, force and violence. We hope our method does not become necessary" seem to be important. --24.62.55.11 07:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hal Turner WBCQ Controversy
Perhaps a section should be added regarding the end of his WBCQ show. Up until 2004, Hal Turner had a weekly show on shortwave station WBCQ. In 2004, Turner claimed that as a result of his screening of "The Passion Of The Christ", he decided he could no longer do business with Jews (Alan Weiner, who owns WBCQ, is apparently Jewish) and therefore was discontinuing his WBCQ show (he also cited declining interest in shortwave radio). If my memory serves me correctly, WBCQ claimed they were pulling Turner's show because he owed the station money. I'm not sure who was telling the truth here, but in fairness to WBCQ, it should be noted that Turner was apparently going through a period of financial difficulty (within a few months after ending his WBCQ show, he also discontinued his Internet radio show, citing lack of funds, and even shuttered his website for a time). In addition, I doubt Turner ever explained why a movie would transform his opinion on whether it's OK to do business with Jews (certainly it's not a case of "The Passion" turning a latent anti-semite into an active one; as far as I know, Turner was always virulently anti-semitic), so it seems his justification for pulling the show was a face-saving one. For that matter, why wouldn't he just switch to WWCR if he couldn't do business with Jews anymore? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MisterBungle (talk • contribs) 21:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] False Lawsuits
Recently he presented a "Legal" document which statements within reveal it is obviously a fraud and also within there are a number of times that the word 'Plaintiff' is replaced with the word 'me' which no official legal document would have.
The PACER website has found NO case with the number mentioned within the document. Also why would a Lawyer refer to his Radio show as a "National Treasure" and "the most listed to radio show in the world" Such statements are not legal terms and the radio show comment could be easily disproved by radio ratings.
Therefore this document is a fraud. 68.9.223.94 14:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC) Edit: Appendium Also This is a wonderful excerpt
"16. Later, on or about December 23, 2007, one or more of the John Does posted to the internet Plaintiff's personal, private, unlisted home telephone number and the private unlisted home telephone number of Plaintiff's 62 year old mother, Kathleen Diamond in Tunkhannock, PA." No Lawyer in his good mind would make such a GLARING and Obvious error 68.9.223.94 16:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- First off, IANAL. The lawsuit is on PACER now. Case/Docket Number is 2:07-cv-00306 . As for a lawyer, Turner is pro se, which is legal jargon for "representing yourself". The judge denied his temporary injunction and restraining order against "4Chan.org, 7chan.org, Ebaumsworld.com, NexisOnline.net, Abjects.com, and John Doe(s) 1-1000." --Transfinite 01:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hal does not liek mudkips?
Can we have some sources for that? That's just... wow. I spilled my drink laughing-from K37
Apparently, he likes Squirtles. I heard so on his radio show. 赤鈴姫 20:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
According to this song: http://media.putfile.com/Hal-Turner-Song he likes Squirtle. 赤鈴姫 10:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC) Hm, looks like Pool's Closed.
[edit] Homosexual leanings
I moved this out of the lead because it was out of place there. -SpuriousQ (talk) 18:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 7chan Conspiracy
I'm trying to get ahold of some data on a supposed collaboration with the mods/admins of 7chan a few months back. According to what I remember, 7chan organized a fake invasion of Turner's site (for publicity) in exchange for the money to put up a new server. I don't know much, but I think this may be newsworthy if the whole story can put together. Sweetfreek 05:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- That was actually a joke. They never got paid by Hal to do that. If anything it is more interesting to talk about how Hal has managed to get all his domain names stolen. Haplo7 11:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that was a troll because they knew some neo-Nazi was reading the /i/ board for news to post on his blog, so they posted a thread "revealing" the conspiracy which was subsequently reposted by the neo-Nazi, and everyone had a good chuckle. Ashibaka (tock) 23:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 4chan, 7chan, ebaum, and 420chan
I just think that there should be a sentence or two describing these websites. Image sharing internet communitys, something like that. Right now it says somthing about them being pedofilic or something, which is wrong in the sense that calling the US house and senate pedofilic would be; a few rouge senators (or in this case, website patrons) shouldnt define an entire organization so I think that should be changed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Danis1911 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC).
I disagree. None of those sites have anything to do with Hal. It's all eBaums World, they are trying to blame 4chan to get it shut down.
