User talk:HeikoEvermann

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1 Welcome to the Wikipedia
2 Kingdom of God, word usage
- 2.1 Christian greek scriptures
3 Why revert that particular change?
4 Toki Pona?
5 Re:
6 Patrolled edits
7 Seventh-day Adventist WikiProject
8 Bots
9 Seventh-day Adventist Church
10 Graham Maxwell
11 Great Disappointment
12 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CreationWiki
13 Seventh-day Adventist Church improvement drive
14 Adventist source texts

[edit] Welcome to the Wikipedia

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Feel free to ask me anything the links and talk pages don't answer. You can sign your name by typing 4 tildes, likes this: ~~~~.

Cheers, Sam [Spade] 15:44, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Kingdom of God, word usage

Heiko, I found your edit on the "kingdom of God" article to be somewhat uninformed and a little rude. JW's did not invent the phrases you deleted. The term "JW speak" seems like a discriminatory statement. I am not going to "edit war" with you, I just wanted to privately express my thoughts. regards user:george m

PS feel free to delete this message after you have read it.

Hi George,

For Hebrew Scriptures in English I am not absolutely sure, whether anyone else apart from JW uses this term, but I do not know anyone who does. The Christian Greek Scriptures is an exclusively JW term. Just google for "Christian greek Scriptures" - Jehovah. Noone else uses this phrase. So I disagree with naming this "uninformed". Sorry if you consider this a little rude. I am not sure, whether you refer to "JW speak", or to the edit in general. I did not intend "JW speak" to be offensive. Maybe it is not the right expression. (I am quite fluent in English, but I am not a native speaker and so it might be the wrong word. "JW slang" might have been better.)

For the time being, I have given up editing the JW article (main + doctrine). I noticed that over time critical facts that that I add (and that I consider to be important to have a balanced POV) get edited out. (The only thing that remained is the info about the baptisms.) I am very much disappointed about that and for the time being, have other things to do. I do not have the time to check permanently for these things and press for these facts in the discussions. And besides, I do not want to fight about articles. I still consider quite a number of points in the article to be unbalanced, but at the moment I do not see a way to change that.

I think you noticed that there are some things about JWs where I am very much convinced that they teach things contrary to the Bible and I think that an article about JWs doctrines in the Wikipedia should also point at the problems other people see with their teachings. But at present the main information under "opposition to JW" is hostility from the authorities and hostility from fundamentalists. From my POC this is missing the point why other Christian groups consider JW teaching to be a deviation from the Bible. But I think that this user talk page is not the right point to go in the details of doctrine. If you like, you can mail me privately under heiko dot evermann at gmx dot de, and we could discuss some of the doctrinal matters in private. Kind regards, Heiko

[edit] Christian greek scriptures

Heiko, sorry to be so long in replying. I did a google search for the terms "Christain Greek Scriptures" and "Hebrew Scriptures" I apparently found different results than you did. Did you search in English? You should not feel bad about your edits being changed or deleted. That is the process. Keep in mind that your opinions are not the end of discussions. Those terms are not "JW-slang" or "JW-speak" and yes they are offensive. I think that since you assumed that these were specific to JW's and that a simple internet search would have shown you different, perhaps you should do some deeper research before you return to the editing process invoving JW related pages. I know somw basics about SDA, but not enough to assume I should be editing their articles. george 19:33, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi George,

I would like to respond to your text on my user discussion page.

You wrote

I think that since you assumed that these were specific to JW's and that a simple internet search would have shown you different, perhaps you should do some deeper research before you return to the editing process invoving JW related pages. I know somw basics about SDA, but not enough to assume I should be editing their articles.

First of all, I would like to mention that for a non-JW, I do know the teachings of JWs very well. I have been interested in the topic for several years, and I do know quite a number of your societies books and quite a number of books from ex-JWs. So it might be true, that you are not familiar enough with SDA theology to write wikipedia articles about the Adventists, but I certainly think that I am well informed enough to contribute in articles about the JWs.

I did not just "assume" that the term "Christian Greek Scriptures" is a very JW-specific term. For the German language it certainly is. "christliche griechische Schriften" is used in JW publications (watchtower, awake, books) and in internet forums where JWs take part (by JWs). Concerning the German language use among Christians I think that I am competent to give my judgement. German is my mother language.

Concerning the English language, I do have to admit that there are SOME instances where you can find this term at google.

878 for "christian greek scriptures" 518 for "christian greek scriptures" -Jehovah 457 for "christian greek scriptures" -Jehovah -Watchtower 403 for "christian greek scriptures" -Jehovah -Watchtower -Witness Of these 403 quite a number are from discussions with JWs taking part. But you are right, there ARE non-JWs, who sometimes use this phrase.

But please compare that to 3.850.000 for "New Testament"

This is a ratio of about 1:10000.

To me this means the usual term in the English language for what JWs call "Christan Greek Scriptures" is "New Testament".

Reply - While it is true that the phrase is used on "JW" realted sites more than anywhere else, perhaps you should note that most of thse sites are not actually JW but anti-JW. The other individuals using the phrase, if you notice are scholars. So, the use of this phrase is a scholarly way to refer to the "New Testament" To be certain JW's did not invent the phrase but borrowed it from scholarly sources. This is in our literature. That is why I said you should do some better research. Sorry for the tone of my last comment. -- george 13:55, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why revert that particular change?

Hi Heiko --

In Japanese languageI moved the list of phonological changes in sounds (which apparently adds to the sound inventory), up closer to the first paragraph which makes exactly that point. The part about Elision, though important, doesn't really relate to the increased sound inventory and so doesn't flow well. I thought my change made things easier to read.

You just reverted it, hours later, with no comment. Why?

Steverapaport 18:38, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Got your message, thanks for reply. Daijoubu desu yo, if you don't mind I'll fix it again now.

[edit] Toki Pona?

Hi, I'm still getting text served by the Toki Pona wikipedia. Is the project really closed down now? Even if this is so I don't think we should remove the Toki Pona link from clitoris while the server is still delivering the article. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:32, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me, Heiko. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:31, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

See my reply @ User_talk:Sam_Spade#Trouble_with_a_user. Cheers, Sam Spade 20:33, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Patrolled edits

Hi, patrolled edits isn't something a steward can allow. You need to ask the developers for this via a request made at MediaZilla:. Angela . 19:26, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Seventh-day Adventist WikiProject

Hi! I noticed that you are a Seventh-day Adventist on your talk page and thought you might be interested in joining the Wikipedia:WikiProject Seventh-day Adventist Church. If you have any queries feel free to ask me on my talk page. Thanks. MyNameIsNotBob July 6, 2005 02:52 (UTC)

[edit] Bots

If you're running a bot can you please run it from a different account to the one from which you humanly edit please? user:Heikobot or something would be good. Dunc|☺ 20:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay maybe you aren't a bot then! Dunc|☺ 17:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Seventh-day Adventist Church

Hi! I have been working very hard of late on the Adventist Church article and as such have posted it for peer review here Wikipedia:Peer_review/Seventh-day_Adventist_Church. One of the problems with the article that has been raised is the lack of flow in the Outsider Criticisms section. Unfortunately this is something that I am not particularly good at editing. Would you be able to lend a hand on this? Please let us know your thoughts on my talk page. Thanks. MyNameIsNotBob 21:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Graham Maxwell

Hi! I am enlisting your help as one of the people listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Seventh-day_Adventist_Church. The Seventh-day Adventist Church page has recently come under a protection order after an edit war to do with the theology of Graham Maxwell. As an upshot of this war, two users have been blocked. I personally do not understand the issue relating to Graham Maxwell, and as such would like your comments, regardless of whether you know much about the issue or not, on Talk:Seventh-day Adventist Church. I apologise for the mess of the talk page, it has been a very involved debate. Thanking you in advance, -Fermion 06:08, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Great Disappointment

I am not convinced that the Baha'i reference is not suitable. Could you justify your reasoning for me and I might be able to back you up. MyNameIsNotBob 21:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CreationWiki

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CreationWiki

As a contributor to the page CreationWiki, I feel it fair to warn you that it has been nominated for deletion. Please make your opinion known. PrometheusX303 21:00, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seventh-day Adventist Church improvement drive

Hi! Ansell and I are currently working on improving Seventh-day Adventist Church up to featured article status. There is currently a todo list on Talk:Seventh-day Adventist Church. If you can help with this it would be most appreciated. Thanks, and happy editing! MyNam e IsNotBob 08:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adventist source texts

Hi Heiko,

Thanks for scanning the Elihu tract. It would certainly be good to have "The Sabbath - A Perpetual Sign" as well. I will have a look in the Avondale College library when I get a chance. When I look on www.WorldCat.org I find resources in various libraries, but it seems that Avondale is not a part of the database. Plenty of resources from the United States show up!

As we are aiming to get the Seventh-day Adventist Church article to featured article status, I would like to have more relevant material in Wikisource, Commons, Wikiquote etc. that we can link to. So thanks for making a start! I will be interested to read the document you scanned when I get a chance. By the way it's good to have your input on the Adventist pages. We seem to have a lot of Australians but May I ask, what is the Adventist church like in Germany? I can tell you about the church in Australia if you are interested.

Regards, Colin MacLaurin 05:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC).

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