Talk:Heroes (TV series)/Archive 1

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Contents 1 Searching for Heroes 2 External links 3 Possible error in Information 3.1 Which brother? 4 Global / CH? 5 Added spoiler warning 6 Niki's alter ego 7 Unable to find it 8 Character superpower 9 What the...? 10 BS 11 Preferred format for episode synopsis? 12 More possible trivia 13 Main characters 14 Advertising section 15 Claire's Occupation 16 Micah Sanders 17 The Online comics ! 18 Geek is not a profession. 19 The brothers 20 "I want it that way" in 1x01 21 Initial Links between Characters? 22 Why does it list Mohinder suresh as having unknown powers 23 Bobby Lee? 24 Different versions of 1x01? 25 Another similar work 26 What is the value of the "Similarities to other works" section? 27 Hiro 28 Sylar

Searching for Heroes

Does it make sense to anyone that there is a redirect from Heroes to Hero and that the Hero page links to a rather crowded disam page? I'm not sure how to correct this problem, but it seems to me that the current behavior is not very useful to users who may be searching for this page. How should this be corrected? Erechtheus 19:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I've made it so that typing in heroes now redirects to the disambiguation page rather than the the Hero article. I feel this makes far more sense. Kamikaze Highlander 03:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree.Transcendentalstate 14:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

External links

Pursuant to Wikipedia:External Links, I have deleted the fansite, message board, and blog links. A link to one fansite or one directory of fansites might be appropriate. Please do not re-add this melange of improper links again. Erechtheus 19:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Added 9th Wonders as the "Official/Unofficial Fan Site" in keeping with Wikipedia:External Links which says "including a link to one major fansite is appropriate". This appears to be a major fansite as it has exclusive information from cast and creators/writers. Some writers also appear to be on the message boards here. --Ollie 21:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I know there have been a lot of problems with the external links, but 9th Wonders does seem like it should be included (see my above post). Anyone care to comment on whether they agree/disagree? Ollie 08:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, 9thW is AFAIK the biggest fansite and some of the show's cast post there. -- Whysquared 08:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, the introduction on 9thW is written by the show's writer, Tim Kring, and is therefore a valid external link for the TV Show. User:Gr8Koogly 19:48PM, October 9, 2006 (UTC)

Possible error in Information

Possible Spoilers Below (not sure of the protocol on a discussion page but have put this anyway

Having seen the pilot I would question some of the information given on the page - In particular listing the character of Peter Peterelli as a hero with the ability to fly; as, in the pilot, he only dreams of flying and in fact when he attempts to fly later it is his brother who saves him by flying. So it is unclear as to whether his character will fly, but as of the pilot he certainly doesn't.

I changed the table to match the Pilot information, and added a spoilers warningTranscendentalstate 17:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

What is the citation source for Peter's Power in the table ("Psychic Connection" and "precognition")? It seems to be derived from what can be seen in the pilot but not actually based on any solid information. I propose either changing it to "undetermined" or perhpas noting that this is information is "speculation". --Ollie 21:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Ollie. I thought that Peter was attempting suicide by jumping off a building when he discovered he can fly. Until either way is dertermined, Ollie's suggestions make sense.Lobot72 21:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Which brother?

I notice some odd and increasingly frequent switching between the Petrelli brothers powers. Is this just people who've seen the ads, not the pilot or another case of last minute changing like with the usage of that Batman Begins track? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 03:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I've seen the pilot; (at the risk of the spoiler in question) the candidate has the flight skills, contrary to what the promos imply. Mhking 03:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Seeing the pilot, the candidate can fly. The nurse has a supernatural connection to the brother... and maybe the rest of them as well. I'd say its best as undetermined.

Peter's power should be listed as "unspecified" I think. Preview information implies he has something going on, but we don't know what.

I agree - N/A means "not applicable".. should be unspeciified.. EDIT: nevermind, I like what you changed it to as of 26 September 2006 better! Mark 03:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC) Peter shoul not be listed as unspecified.From the pilot we know that he has a connection with his brother.It should be left like that.

I just saw a commercial for upcoming episodes, and it does show Peter flying, along with his brother. Indel 02:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I changed Peter's superpower back to flight, he flew in the latest episode. CTVampSlayer 9:56 02 October 2006 (UTC)

According to an article in TVGuide magazine, dated October 9-15, 2006, Peter Petrelli has the ability of absorb the others' superpowers. Green Herring 02:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

So it's confirmed that Peter can fly. But he also has some precognitive ability. bluemonq 21:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Peter's power is more along the lines of empath or mimic. He can definitely fly when he's around his brother. But he also drew the final scene in the second episode. He was in the hospital after a bad fall, and probably on some kind of opiate for pain management. Notice that Isaac has to be doped up on heroin (another opiate) before his precog abilities come into play. When Peter drew the picture, it was after he came into contact with Issac. My best guess is that Peters powers stem from some kind of psychic link that he can establish with people he comes into contact with. I think it is more emotional than physical. Remember he said that when his dad died, he sat bolt upright in bed? Sdp4408 16:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Global / CH?

What is the point in the Global CH thing? Why does it matter that the show is airing on Global and CH television networks, when the show isn't even produced by them? It't not really target to a Canadian audience anyways. 24.36.231.48 16:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Au contraire. This is one Canadian looking forward to the show. Also, it is being shown in Canada, ergo, it is targeting a Canadian audience. See how that works? --64.180.243.73 09:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The show wasn't on Global or CH last night. I'm removing the reference. JohnnyB 20:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• I actually e-mailed them to ask which network it was on. Perhaps their reply will clear up the confusion. NorthernThunder 04:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The show is now running on Global in the same time slot as NBC, although it didn't debut at the same time. JohnnyB 18:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Added spoiler warning

I added a spoiler warning that is common on Wikipedia for television shows that haven't yet or are currently airing. Spoiler will need to be removed after the series finale, whenever that is.Lobot72 21:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Niki's alter ego

When the show airs the speculation that Niki's alter ego is a villian will need to be either confirmed or removed if that assumption is wrong.Lobot72 21:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Done; Removed. That shouldn't be there anyway. Thanks for bringing it up. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

The woman in the mirror is certainly an independant agent, but with an unclear agenda. She could have buried the bodies herself, but instead laid the ground work and let the other niki do it. Her actions seem to be for the sake of the deleterious effect they have on Niki, rather than for the woman in the mirror's own benefit. A distinct and hostile personality would seek to preserve the status quo, or preserve the host until such time as it could take over altogether. The actions so far seem counterproductive to its long term interest as a parasite personality.

Tbmorgan74 21:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Why was the term doppelgänger removed from Niki's section? It gets the point across and is way less wordy than what's there now. Ozmodiar.x 03:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that Niki has a doppelganger. A doppelganger is an evil twin, and Niki seems to have split personalities. It could also be that a Niki from an alternate universe can inhabit Niki's body, but until more is reveal about Niki we should probably leave off the doppelganger. Lobot72 07:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Niki's abilities displayed so far seem more like a version of Randy from DP7 (comics). In DP7, Randy could project a dark form of himself that was completely autonomous and could wreck havoc, without him consciousness wanting to. Initially, it only fully manifested while he was asleep. EvilCouch 10:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Negative Man from Doom Patrol has a similar power. 75.21.125.177 09:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

In the fourth episode, Collision, it's been shown that Niki's altar ego is clearly not a separate physical entity but a different personality that manifests when she is under stress. It appears to exhibit heightened strength, though not beyond normal human limits. Her strength and aggression could possibly be from increased adrenaline. Would it be appropriate to change her power to something along the lines of "Alternate personality accompanied by hormone changes?" Briham 13:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Unable to find it

It says in the article that the pilot was made available on iTunes as a free download on the first of September; however, I have been looking there since then and have been unable to find it. Is it on there and I'm not looking in the right place, or is it not on there yet and there is a factual error in the article? Please help... 71.193.74.50 21:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Read the section. It's a crosspromotion. I take it you didn't see a movie first. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Oops. Thanks for clearing that up. 71.193.74.50 22:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Character superpower

"Niki Sanders 33 Female Las Vegas Cam Girl "Powerful alter-ego""

Wouldn't a better description for her superpower be astral projection? I have only seen the NBC advertisement, but, it seems like that is what she does. NorthernThunder 05:40, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Nein. "virtual reality projection" the closet related form of astral projection I can find, still features the same underlying constant of astral projection: one person. The term "Alter-ego" is being used loosely. Niki and Mirror Niki seem to be distinct individuals. The possibility Mirror-Niki could have killed whilst Niki is innocent should be a good indicator of that. Hers will certainly be the trickiest of powers to get a lock on. Heck, they may have just created it as a Heroes original. (I didn't see the pilot yet, either, so I'm working from the ads, too.) ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 06:40, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I've currently changed it to "unspecified" and corrected the other powers with appropriate links, as they once were. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 16:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Niki's power seems rather... 'interesting,' in its own respect... here's a thought to ponder, though: maybe she has a sort of 'Jekyll and Hyde' Complex going on with her power. At least, that's how it appears to me. --12.153.193.194 02:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

What the...?

Check the edit history, I've been a faithful editor helping to keep this page sane and you lock me out!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.135.161.74 (talk • contribs) at 02:20, September 26, 2006 (UTC)

Chill out, dude. First off, try registering. It's not enough to just edit pages. You should really use an account. Second, the page was semi-protected to prevent various users, well intentioned or otherwise, from doing damage to the page. Believe me, it's better this way...for the time being.

If you need any advice, contact me. Oh and BTW, sign your comments. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 03:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

BS

Check this out: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6739710473912337648 In the premier of Heroes it two asian kids in red jerseys singing the same song. There's got to be some connection. Do you think it's on the show because of this clips popularity on the internet? Whatever it is, it needs to be on Wikipedia! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.193.20.31 (talk • contribs) 06:24, September 26, 2006 (UTC)

Add new comments to the bottom of the page. Now, I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't warrant inclusion in the article. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe those are the Back Dorm Boys, and should at least be given a reference in the Trivia section.

Preferred format for episode synopsis?

Hey, peeps. Toquinha here, I wrote the first version of the Heroes pilot episode. Is there a preferred format for the way it is written? As the show tends to evolve around several characters, it seemed appropriate to group each one appropriately by character. This may not necessarily work for later episodes, though, although it seemed to work best here. Any other comments? Toquinha 14:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Simply writing based on the time of events would be more appropriate. The characters will eventually be meeting and certain events were already being experienced by multiple persons. I was considering a full rewrite of that...if you'll excuse me, mess when I had more time. So, "no" to seperating characters. It confuses the timeline and makes it harder to mention certain events. Besides, summaries like that are what character articles are for. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 19:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

More possible trivia

The co-composers of the show's music, Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman, were members of The Revoultion, Prince's band during the Purple Rain era.

Also for more trivia about similarities with other works, the comic book "The Strangers", an Ultraverse comic book by Malibu comics depicts a group of people riding a trolly when being struck by lightning from the moon. They gain super powers and spend some time getting used to them. Not everybody on the trolly follows the path of good. Thought I'd mention it.

For what it's worth, as of October 6th, 2006, Heroes has been green-lighted (green lit?) for a full season (22 episodes)^[[1]] --DJ Chair 13:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it looks like Marcopogo stole my thunder (<sad>) but we should still add a citation to his remark of the full 22 episodes.

Main characters

I think the antagonist and th Indian guy, I don't remember his name, should be added to the list of main characters.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rolugomi (talk • contribs) at 00:13, September 27, 2006 (UTC)

What? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 02:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The antagonists' character name is officially (for the script?), i believe, "horn rimmed glasses" and the actor's name is Jack Coleman (see his wikipedia and imdb page). Not sure how to fix the formatting but I put the names in there.Meo6e 05:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The song during the eclipse is : Eyes by Rouge Wave

Wouldn't it be wiser to replace the "location" column with "origin"? The characters might be going around to different locations in the world as the series progresses and this information might be confusing. --Pinkkeith 18:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

That seems like a reasonable idea, I'd second it. --DJ Chair 19:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. I went ahead and changed it. Kafziel ^Talk 19:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Can someone please revert the "location" column back to "origin"? Someone changed it over the weekend, and I thought it had been agreed upon (granted by a small number of us) that origin made more sense then location. --DJ Chair 12:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Be Bold. Stop asking for someone to change it for you. Just do it. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 14:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Until just now, I couldn't. I've only been a user for a couple of weeks and the page was blocked for editing by new users. --DJ Chair 15:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank heaven for small miracles. It's "Place of origin" now, as it should be, if anything. The relavence of that whole column is dubious, however. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 16:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Advertising section

I removed it, since the show has aired. All the advertisements were to hype the show, and that's it. It's pretty pointless to leave it on the article still. RobJ1981 04:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Claire's Occupation

Shouldn't Claire's occpuation be listed as high school student as opposed to high school cheerleader? I know this may be nit-picky, but I think it would be a better description.

Micah Sanders

The article says he's fairly smart. Fairly? Isn't he a super genius?

He may or may not be, he is smarter. But want and see how smart before calling him a super genius!--Brown Shoes22 23:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't he actually be one of the main characters? --Pinkkeith 18:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

it's difficult to say as of yet, granted he's listed on IMDB (which grants him a little more credibility then the "Horn Rimmed Glasses" guy, but since the show is about the heroes (and he hasn't yet shown any powers, besides his mother's opinion of his intellect) maybe he shouldn't get a billing as a main character just yet. Although, if he starts having more then a couple of words per episode of dialect, then I'd be willing to reconsider. --DJ Chair 20:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't put much credibility into IMDb. Still, every source I find seems to list Noah (Micha's actor) and Tawny (Simone's) in the cast, and first by alphabetical last name listing methods. Nevertheless, DJ and I are in agreement. However Micah's actor mau be listed, the character has been minor/supporting so far. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 00:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Micah may not have a large number of lines, but he's going to be a main character in the show. Remember that Matt/Greg Grunberg didn't even show up until the second episode, and D.L. still hasn't shown up in the show. Beyond what it says in the IMDb, Micah and Simone are also in main character publicity stills and have entries on the NBC offical website cast page. Simone even has her own character page there, and Micah has a page in the code (it redirects to the NBC main page, but other names just 404).

At the very least, Simone should be a main character. Micah should too, or else we should move D.L. down to the supporting characters. I'm going to go ahead and move Micah and Simone up to main characters. SuperJerms 08:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The article says that Micah's powers are unknown, but from what I've seen I don't think he has any powers, so shouldn't the article say none? Lobot72 01:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Apparently it says something in TV Guide about Micah having powers. See the Talk:Heroes (TV series)#TVGUIDE citation! section on this page. Also, I moved your question to this section since we already had one on Micah. Hope you don't mind. --Aldryd 01:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

And actually we have heard that he has at least one power. He told his mother that he "rebuilt his computer's motherboard". I'm pretty sure that would be impossible. DavidJohns 03:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe your right and his powers will show up later. According to my Tivo's description of next week's episode called "Collision", it say's,"Suresh locates a genetically advanced superman." So maybe there will be new heroes added and some of the current character's powers will be revealed as the show progresses. The next episode after that is called "Hiro's" and the description say's, "The police arrive on Niki's doorstep, looking for her fugitive husband; Claire confesses to her father; Hiro and his friend get jumped. Lobot72 08:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

• I didn't see this topic (please read the topic i started below regarding what I believe might possibly be Micah's powers)4.172.237.137 03:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• In episode 4, Micah talks to Niki about her performing on internet webcam sites and Niki seemed shocked, as if she didn't know how he knew. Though there is the chance that he just overheard about it somewhere, is there a chance that he has some sort of power that could sense what she did (possibly similar but not exactly like Matt's telepathic abilities?) 4.172.237.137 02:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

mechanical/electronic empathy? like kaylee in firefly --Sdp4408 05:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• I'd say it's more likely that he's just not an idiot. His mother has an "office" in the garage he isn't allowed in. It's not hard to imagine he's looked in through a window out of curiosity. His mothers friends are pretty obviously other webcam girls, prostitutes, and what have you. It wouldn't be hard to figure out what was going on, especially since his mother "works nights" and has no visible means of financial support. Quite frankly, I think Micah just put two and two together as anyone would. And since the hints for any power he has seem to lend themselves towards above average intelligence, isn't it even MORE likely he's just not stupid? :P Nezu Chiza 06:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think intelligence can be considered a super power, unless he is inventing things like rayguns, teleporters and jetpacks. If being smart is a super power then they should have Stephen Hawking and Jeopardy champion Ken Jennings on as super heroes. Lobot72 06:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The Online comics !

The Online comics is seen in the hands of Micah Sanders (Niki's young son) !--Brown Shoes22 14:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Is The Online comics is it with a artcle ?--Brown Shoes22 23:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Or a section ?--Brown Shoes22 14:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, this isn't really related to the original post under this section, but I cleaned up the Online Comic section. I added the writer and the artist of each issue and added that they are drawn by Aspen Comics. --Pinkkeith 15:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Geek is not a profession.

Please remove Geek from Hiro's occupation.

Looks like someone did. Applegamer 18:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The brothers

Why does it mention that both of the brothers possess "flight", watching the pilot there seems to be no indication that Peter can actually fly. Whysquared 09:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree and questioned this. Peter thought he could fly, but it seems his brother is the one with the ability from footage seen so far. My wife suggests that maybe it's in an official release or trailer somewhere we haven't seen. --RickMeasham 13:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

According to Indel in the Which brother section, there is a commercial for the next show where Peter is seen flying. --Aldryd 14:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Listing the power as flight off of a commercial is silly. We've already seen the character have "dreams" of flying, a quick clip depicting the character in flight on a commercial shouldn't be enough to warrant its inclusion in the list. His powers could be ANYTHING at this point. He's empathetic to the extreme and can sense his brother and has dreams of flying (which is a power his brother does seem to have) - we could guess and guess and guess about exactly what his powers are. But until they are revealed its just plain wrong to list his powers as anything concrete. 128.227.8.185 18:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think we should leave his power as unspecified, unknown, or the "psychic connection to his brother" until an episode airs which specifies his actual power. Since this one has been a highly contested power, I'll leave it for now until maybe we can come to a consensus about it. Maybe we can at least agree to leave it "unspecified" until they give more detail on another episode. --Aldryd 18:33, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, until it actually airs in an episode we can't really say anything about it. -- Whysquared 19:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I also agree that the powers should be left as unspecified for both Peter and his brother. It is possible that the power is levitation (and not flight - often confused) and that Peter actually has the power (controling his brother to "fly" up to save him because he views his older brother as his protector). -arrow61095 10:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it's fairly clear now that Peter's power is borrowing other's powers. Think Rogue in X-Men. That would explain his flying at the end of his fall and the precognition of the roof top scene after coming into contact with the artist. Now the question is; can we sum that up in a couple of words? Verve rat 14:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

We have to wait until the series actually comes out and says it. So far, all that can be verified is that he can fly. Kafziel ^Talk 14:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I dont think theres enough evidence to support that Peter can take other peoples powers becouse he has only come in contact with one other superpowerd person. Also with most superhereos who can take other peoples powers, they only have it for a short time, and yet peter levitated at the end of the second episode withought any contact with his brother.

He's come in contact with two people. The painter and his brother. Evidence of the Painters powers show up after he flies, becuase we see a napkin with the same scene, only drawn as stick figures. As for his Flight, I'm sure his brother made some contact with him while he was in the hospital, and, if not, he did have a long contact with him when he jumped in the first episode. I think that the ammount of time he touches someone is the ammount of time he has the powers, so to speak. --Link43130 10:52, 3 October, 2006 (UTC)

Or it could be that his powers are like Mimic's in that he can temporarily or even permanently absorb a person's power just by being close to them. --ScorpSt

I know it's speculation, but I bet this is why Sylar is eating people's brains; he has the same power as Peter, and has found that eating brains makes the power transfer permanent. Or, he's just psychotic.64.247.206.184 18:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Peter's brother was present the second time Peter levatated on the roof. Lobot72 07:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

"I want it that way" in 1x01

In the Tokyo bar scene in Ep 1x01 two guys in basketball shirts are singing "I want it that way" .. are they the same two guys made famous on YouTube a while back singing the same song? --RickMeasham 13:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

This video --RickMeasham 13:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Initial Links between Characters?

Should there be a separate section for this, for at least the time being? For instance, interesting to note that Hiro's co-worker Ando was viewing Niki's site. If you advance frame by frame, you'll see the page on the screen for a split second just disappearing, courtesy of some rapid clicking.bluemonq 01:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Why does it list Mohinder suresh as having unknown powers

During the pilot there was no evidence that Mohinder has or will have any powers, so why is he listed as unknown. It probebly say N/A or none becouse it looks like he could just be finishing his fathers work withought any any powers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.235.26.231 (talk • contribs) at 18:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Bobby Lee?

He isn't in the show, why is he in the "Starring..." list?--BGOATDoughnut 21:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I fixed it. Not sure why it was changed - either vandalism or just confusion I guess. :) --Aldryd 01:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, it was confusing me a little, and, apparently, I can't edit this page, so I couldn't take action.--lolicontributed 02:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Neither could I. I have question regarding that, what's an established user? Established user for all of Wikipedia in general or just this article? UnDeRsCoRe 02:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

A registered user with a notible amount of edits and history. (Like...five hundred over a month.) It's one reason to register (early) and get/stay active. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 06:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

That's not how it works. You just have to have a four-day-old account. That counts as established. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I've had mine since June, I make a reasnable amount of edits so well, I guess I'm establised. Yeah :p! UnDeRsCoRe 00:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Different versions of 1x01?

I just watched a rebroadcast of the first episode. I notice that a number of plot points mentioned in articles on some of the characters differ from what was broadcast. For example, the article on Claire mentions her talking her to mum over dinner about the fire, and later talking about her being adopted. Neither scene was in the episode that I saw, nor was there any sign of Greg Grunberg's character. Can anyone confirm if the rebroadcasts were edited down -- or is the information included in these articles based upon the reportedly 2-hour pre-broadcast version of the episode that was making the rounds? If this is the case, this has to be noted in the articles otherwise it'll confuse people. 23skidoo 02:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't see the rebroadcast, but I do know that Greg Grunberg's character didn't appear in the original broadcast. Also, Claire was definitely shown talking to her mom about the fire as well as mentioning to her about being adopted in the original broadcast. --Aldryd 02:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Did this discussion occur in the kitchen during the same scene where Claire puts her hand in the garbage disposal? If it didn't, then the scene was definitely cut from the broadcast I saw tonight. 23skidoo 04:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The original premiere had limited commercial interruptions and was i think 50+ minutes long. If the rebroadcast had normal commercial breaks, it probably would have been closer to 45 minutes and thus had removed footage.Confucious 02:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I watched the USA Network's rebroadcast of the premiere episode. Claire's discussions with her mother about the fire and being adopted were indeed edited out. Also, Peter's conversation in the cab with Mohinder was edited down significantly. Michael.douglas.dean 08:54, 3 October 2006

The first time it was aired it was with limited comercial interuption, thus they could fit more material into on "TV hour." All subsequent showings were showed with regular comercial interuption making it necessary to cut content to fit the episode into the TV hour. 02:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Another similar work

Several people have told me that the show is similar to my own series of short stories dealing with people with unique abilities. I can't provide widespread proof at the moment, because my story is witha publisher right now being reviewed, but I can email a couple chapters to anyone interested. They were available online for quite a while, which may lend credibility to the theory... Personally, I think the similarities are insusbstantial (my first chapter is about a kid who can fly and dreams about it, and it ends there, pretty much) and coincidental, but it might be worth noting. Not that I'm noteworthy. Email me if you're interested. Buddy13 20:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds cool. If you ever get your work distributed, feel free to mention it. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The flying as dream is pretty common. Neil Gaiman did it in a promo 8 pager for Sandman, and it's occurred in many other places. Still, best of luck to the publishing chances. ThuranX 02:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

What is the value of the "Similarities to other works" section?

I've just watched the first episode off of TiVo and came to this article for the first time to look something up, and I have a question: What exactly is the encyclopaedic value of the lengthy [Similarities to other works] section? My best guess is that it's fancruft that inspired this subsection more than any particular desire to enhance the factual basis of the article.

If the creators of the show have said in interviews that this or that source inspired them, then by all means cite that interview, but as it stands now this is Original Research, i.e. drawing comparisons between this show and other fictional works which may not be anything more than coincidence. -Markeer 01:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I was kinda thinking the same time the way it piled up. Still, the similarity alone is notible. Maybe I'll remove the section and make a category for them all. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Hiro

Is it worth noting that Hiro/Hero is a less than subtle naming choice, not unlike Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash, and it's lead character, Hiro Protagonist. I'm not sure how or if this is article-worthy, but perhaps consensus can give us an idea? ThuranX 02:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, he's not the star,—like...on a title character level—but it is a very likely they didn't just pick the name at random. Still, that's more of aa thing for the character article, not here. Also, it's close an that insultingly obvious realm where making a note might seem redundant or otherwise unnecessary. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

As already mentioned in the main character article and the online graphic novel (which I'm pretty sure is canon), Hiro is derived from "Hiroshima". --Toquinha 06:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sylar

in the second episode "Syler" is mentioned a lot, i think its obvious he's got some sort of power, should we add an article or name, or wait for more info? And what about that one girl who's with mohinder? Royboy5371 02:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Just saw the episode. Apparently, this "Syler" guy seems to have the ability to freeze people, or lobotomize them. Also, he seems to have a connection with Mohinder's father, appearing on the answering machine.--68.90.60.104 02:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

We should include Siler, and check his spelling, with a citation back here in the talk for how to spell it. He's apparently either cryokinetic or cryoprojective, but definitely powered, based on his recorded assertions that the Professor made him that way. ThuranX 03:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

As per page 3 of Monsters, the online comic NBC.com releases with each episode debut, the spelling is Sylar. Now to figure out what he's about. ThuranX 03:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I have a feeling it has something to do with lobotomy. The guy that was killed in the 2nd episode (when Matt finds the girl) was lobotomized. The detectives said a guy named "Sylar" had something to do with it. Also, lobotomy pops up again in the 2nd episode, when Hiro finds Isaac dead on the floor in his jump to the future.--68.90.60.104 03:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Sylar may be working alone, but looking at the wrecked car in the comic and the body of the mother on the wall in the second episode, there might be evidence of another character with superhuman strength. I could be wrong. -InsaneZeroG 03:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

so add sylar or not? if yes then where? 216.114.214.59 04:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Already added him, with the more obvious and forgivable speculation. I'll correct the spelling. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Listen, I know that Sylar is now listed on the main page, which is good seeing as he'll most likely be the antagonist to this story, but I really don't think that giving him "Patient Zero" is right. Hear me out, I know that the professor called him that, but from my research, the term Patient Zero refers to the central or initial patient in the population sample of an epidemiological investigation. Is this an epidemiological investigation? --DJ Chair 20:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I think Sylar can be given two possible powers: Telekinesis and Cryokinesis. It is evident in the scene with the detectives that the murdered woman was somehow lifted and then impaled with multiple knives. Although it could be a sign of super strength, telekinetic levitation followed by a barrage of mind-flung kitchen knives is more likely. It also appears that brains are only consumed from frozen victims leading me to believe that Sylar slows their molecules to the point of freezing with his telekinetic powers. (cryokinesis is the proper term)AuspexAO 05:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, WTF happened? When did Sylar get all these new powers? The new ep, I assume. Still, the way it's being written up...yikes. I reverted it for now. (God...being on the west coast can really suck ass.) ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 01:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, tonight, 9 Oct. And I wrote it up exactly as it appeared, without speculation into Sylar's power, though it's probably telekinesis at a molecular level, given his freezing abilities, and the fact that no one yet in the show has truly diverse, unthemed powers. ThuranX 01:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Sylar may also have the ability of mind control. The scene where the detective confronts him and he makes her put her gun to her own head may be evidence of this, but it could also be just telekinesis. Sylar also survived being shot multiple times by the mind reading cop. This could just be that he stopped the bullets with telekinesis, or he has a healing factor like the cheerleader or Wolverine, or he is more like Superman and bullets bounce off him. Lobot72 08:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't compare it to superman - he was dropped by the gunshots, and when he stood up you can hear the 'plink' of the bullets hitting the ground. Perhaps he was able to pull the bullets out of himself? That in turn might suggest a similar healing factor, but invulnerability? I don't really think so. I have a feeling if he was shot from behind he would've been done for.Knightrojen 07:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it's possible that Sylar has the ability to absorb others powers, similar to petrelli's power mimicery, but involving in some way the victims brain. this would explain his map and research into those with special powers and also why he attacked issac.