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[edit] Popular culture

Would a section of current examples in popular culture be a good addition? There's always several songs in the Top 40 that strongly convey heteronormative ideas. Herorev 17:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

First of all, you think so? Can you give an example of a song you see as heteronormative? (I'm kind of out-of-touch with popular culture, but I haven't noticed any heteronormativity to speak of.) And secondly, please see WP:NPOV and WP:V, two of Wikipedia's most fundamental policies; do you think such a section could abide by them? —RuakhTALK 18:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Ruakh is correct. Examples of hetronormativity (or of any other concept) must not be original research. If some has published a reliable book about Heteronormativity in pop culture source that - otherwise such additions would fall under the category of original research--Cailil 17:46, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV tag

I have tagged this article as NPOV. There is no discussion of various views either throughout history or in the modern era with regards to biological sex, sex, gender, gender roles etc... the article simply asserts one particular outlook on these issues as though they were a universally agreed on fact. (RookZERO 21:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC))

This statement: "the article simply asserts one particular outlook on these issues as though they were a universally agreed on fact" seems wrong to me. Like, so wrong that I'm having difficulty assuming good faith on your part. It's true that the article doesn't do a great job discussing all the various viewpoints, but it seems to me that wherever it is discussing one, it makes it clear that it's discussing one viewpoint; for example, it constantly uses phrases like "those who subscribe to heteronormativity" (meaning "those who believe that heteronormativity exists"). Can you give an example where the article assumes one outlook as correct? —RuakhTALK 22:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Sure. One reads "Transgender people often seek gender reassignment therapy, thereby violating the assumption that only unambiguous female or male bodies exist." Surely the authors realize that this is not universally agreed to? (RookZERO 23:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC))
Oh, good call; my apologies for doubting you. Indeed, the entire first paragraph of the transgender section seems very unapologetically POV, now that I read it with an eye toward that. —RuakhTALK 07:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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