Talk:History of NFL Championships
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[edit] Adding the History Section
I'll admit that I gave a title to the long, first section of this article because I wanted the contents table to be near the top. (Zzyzx11 07:31, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC))
- I have changed my mind and will be changing that section now. Zzyzx11 02:11, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] This page is now becoming obsolete
It seems that the content of this page is becoming redundant to what is on the following articles:
- NFL playoffs
- List of NFL champions (named a Featured list)
- List of Super Bowl champions (named a Featured list)
Therefore, I am thinking this page should be converted to a disambig page. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:51, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
- Seems that way. Is there any information here that can be saved by incorporating it into one of the other articles? You can call me Al 13:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
- Obviously, everything from the "APFA-NFL standings champions" onward is redundant to List of NFL champions. Everything above it can be merged to the "History of the playoff format" section of NFL playoffs. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:17, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
- Of course, as I think about it, there is also the option of renaming this article something like History of the NFL playoff format, and moving all of that content from NFL playoffs to here... Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:17, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
- Since nobody else has spoken up, I will make this article more about the history of the playoffs. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
- Well, what sets this article apart is the prose talking about the NFL Championships. As for the tables, it seems those are not necessary here - as other articles specifically contain those tables - with better designs. KyuuA4 07:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] In the coming weeks...
I will be rewriting this article to make it more update and meaningful to the group of NFL articles. I will be giving more information soon. Thanks --Happyman22 19:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello to the owner and maintainer of this site. You have done a WONDERFUL job and keep up the good work! I'm sorry for posting this here but I didn't know how else to get my voice heard. The Indianapolis Colts do not have a Championship to their name. The BALTIMORE COLTS won those 4 championships and, even though Indy might technically lay claim to stolen history, saying that Indy won 4 championships is a crime. Thank you.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Riprulz8 (talk • contribs).
- It's the same franchise. It's a continuum. I understand you're a bitter Colts fan, but the Brooklyn Dodgers' 1955 championship counts for the Dodgers even though they are in Los Angeles. However, you might have a point if you could cite what the NFL has to say about it. Wahkeenah 05:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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- If the NFL changes its stand on the Baltimore Colts/Indianapolis Colts issue then so will this page, but since the Colts are technically the Colts no matter what city they play in the four championships count toward their franchise. Sorry --Happyman22 14:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] AFL vs. NFL/Super Bowl Distinction
There's really no need to list AFL-NFL Championships separately from Super Bowl championships. The AFL vs. NFL World Championship was substantively the same as the subsequent games that officially took on the "Super Bowl" name. The champions even won the same trophy. The fact that the NFL officially stylized the three "World Championship" games as Super Bowls I, II, and III, shows that the distinction in the table is silly and should be eliminated. The champions of those three games are considered by all, including the NFL, to be official Super Bowl Champions. There's no reason for the segreation.-PassionoftheDamon 10:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Don't tell that to the some of the Wikipedians who are rabid AFL fans, including this particular one. Super Bowls I-IV were held prior to the 1970 AFL-NFL Merger before the two leagues officially became one. Between 1966 to 1969, the two leagues still operated separately. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 13:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- The primary difference is that there was no inter-league or inter-conference play until the 1970 season. Once the leagues agreed to merge, holding a common draft, etc., the official "separation" was cosmetic. However, also don't discount the NFL fans, such as Vikings fans who are quick to point out that the "championless" Vikings won the NFL Championship in 1969, although they lost the Super Bowl game. Wahkeenah 14:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, there should not be a distinction. The authortity on this, the NFL, even includes the first four Super Bowls as Super Bowls. It is redudant to list these seperately. The Green Bay Packers are listed as winning 3 Super Bowls on their website. seantpainter
The first two games were called by the generic "AFL-NFL Championship". The third one was renamed "Super Bowl III" and the first two were renamed as "Super Bowl I & II" after the fact. Although the leagues operated on the field as separate entities, the merger was announced before the first AFL-NFL game. Wahkeenah 03:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I see absolutely no reason for the distinction. It's about as silly as distinguishing pre-interleague play World Series Champions because the American and National Leagues operated seperately and didn't play each other during the regular season. At the end of the day, the prize of the first three Super Bowls was the same as that of the latter 38. The NFL considers the 66-67 Packers and 68 Jets Super Bowl Champions, and they should be recognized as such, not subject to a petty distinction that nobody else recognizes--not even the main Super Bowl article.-PassionoftheDamon 02:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- The baseball analogy is a good one. The World Series is still the World Series, even though the major baseball leagues are, in practical terms, a single league now. Wahkeenah 03:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- The baseball analogy is flawed; when 'interleague play' (IMO technically an oxymoron) began, Major League Baseball continued to refer to the National and American "Leagues", not "Conferences". But I don't get to tell MLB that they need to change their naming conventions to reflect this distinction, and neither does Wikipedia as a whole. During the first four years of the Super Bowl, there was a combined draft between the two leagues, and but the AFL had its own commissioner, and continued to use its distinctive rules. They were two separate legal entities until after Super Bowl IV. The '68 Colts and '69 Vikings did win the NFL Championship. The '70 Cowboys did not.The Monster 02:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
