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Contents 1 WP:COTW vote 1.1 History of Sicily (7 votes, stays until July 20, 2006) 2 Logical ordering of significant periods in Sicilian history 3 Reread 4 Good Article 5 Battle of Civitate, 1053

[edit] WP:COTW vote

[edit] History of Sicily (7 votes, stays until July 20, 2006)

Nominated June 30, 2006; needs at least 9 votes by July 20, 2006

This island has a very rich history and it deserves own article. Some info should be inserted from Sicily article.

Support:

1. Darwinek 21:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
2. Spawn Man 03:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
3. PDXblazers 03:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
4. ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 23:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
5. Gioto 00:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
6. Angelo 13:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
7. Gmelfi, 15:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
8. Contributor175 03:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

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[edit] Logical ordering of significant periods in Sicilian history

As a first step, this article should be sub-divided into the significant periods (most of which choose themselves). In scn.wiki - we have commenced with these periods - we are nowhere near finished, but it might be a good starting point here as well. They are as follows:

1. pristoria - prehistory
2. èbbica greca - Greek period
3. èbbica rumana - Roman period (perhaps including Siracuse's role in the Punic Wars)
4. èbbica gòtica - Gothic period
5. èbbica bizzantina - Byzantine period (these last two could almost be combined given that the Gothic period was quite short)
6. èbbica àrabba - Arab period
7. èbbica nurmanna - Norman period
8. èbbica sveva - Swabian period (many historians treat the last two as one period, starting with Roger I and ending with Manfred - an argument that has merit
9. èbbica aragunisa - Aragonese period (could take in the very brief Angevin rule under Charles, and obviously includes the Sicilian Vespers - but note that the Aragonese period itself is split between a significant period of independent rule whose rulers were of Aragonese descent but for all intents and purposes Sicilian, and a latter period where Sicily was ruled directly by the Aragonese)
10. èbbica spagnola - Spanish period (might be some conjecture as to when this period actually starts and ends)
11. èbbica borbònica - Bourbon period (Kingdom of the Two Sicilies)
12. èbbica cuntimpurania - modern period (starting with the Risorgimento, although potentially these two could be combined, e.g. Bourbon period to present)

That advantage of this set up is that some of the more significant periods are likely to become article in their own right with time - so it's good to get a handle on that upfront. ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 04:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

By all means - add them. Davodd 17:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok done, I also included a bit of an intro which was needed, the actual names of the sub-headings may still need some tinkering as the article is fleshed out. This is still largely a copy from the main Sicily article. Now that is it almost properly sub-divided, a greater flow needs to be developed between the various parts and periods, and a bit more detail added. A few additional references won't go astray either, I am certainly in a position to add a few more. ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 23:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reread

Having returned to this article for the first time in a few weeks, I note a few gaps, or at least some parts that do not flow as well as they should. As an example of a clear ommission - the Norman period doesn't even introduce the names of Robert Guiscard and Roger I of Sicily, says little of the 30 year long conquest of the island from the ruling saracens and seems to jump straight into Roger II becomin king in 1130. A bit more of an intro and clarification is required here, because this early period effectively determined Sicily's history and development for the next 950 years (in terms of language, religion, culture and population mix). Also, a few additional details can probably be added here and there, especially in the century post 1815. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 01:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

In the Bourbon section there is this bit: "In late 1852, Prince Emanuele Realmuto set up power in North Central Sicily. Highly educated, the prince established a political system set to bring Sicily's economy to the highest levels in all of Italy. The Prince's life however was shortened by an assassination in 1857. To this day some of his work is still present in the Italian parliament." I have never heard of this Prince Realmuto, and it.wiki doesn't seem to have anything on him - is someone able to confirm his existence and provide a reference? πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 03:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The only thing I found on google were copies of this section - which makes me even more suspicious. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 03:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article

This article has very poor referencing and no footnotes. --GoOdCoNtEnT 06:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Civitate, 1053

Should probably be added to the Norman Sicily section, it was fairly significant in its impact. The Jade Knight 08:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The Battle of Civitate opened up the whole of Southern Italy to the Normans - and one could argue that it was the first stepping stone to the Kingdom that would come some 80 years later - but at the same time, it is still 7 years before the Normans set foot on Sicily in a meaningful way - so it is arguable. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 12:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)