Talk:History of alcohol
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[edit] NPOV dispute
The suggestion that non-drinkers are underrepresented in history seems not only preposterous but also is unfair to drinkers. Wnissen 06:40, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Suggestion has been deleted
Dr. Darby's observation, identified below, has been removed:
After reviewing extensive evidence regarding the widespread but generally moderate use of alcoholic beverage, the historian Darby makes a most important observation: all these accounts are warped by the fact that moderate users "were overshadowed by their more boisterous counterparts who added 'color' to history." Thus, the intemperate use of alcohol throughout history receives a disproportionate amount of attention. Those who abuse alcohol cause problems, draw attention to themselves, are highly visible and cause legislation to be enacted. The vast majority of drinkers, who neither experience nor cause difficulties, are not noteworthy. Consequently, observers and writers largely ignore moderation. David Justin
[edit] Merge suggestion
- I'd say leave this as a separate article. Alcoholic beverage is already quite long, and (in general) 'X' and 'History of X' are not the same thing. --Squiddy 11:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
- I concur. Wikipedia already has a warning on the size of articles being too long.
[edit] More recent history
This is ancient history. We should get some more recent history in here, too! --Liface 00:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. Would "History of alcohol in the ancient world," or something to that effect, be a better title? --BDD 15:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Osiris, God of whaaa?
Under the sub-headline Egypt, it states that Osiris is the Egyptian God of wine. I found that surprising, and I can't see anywhere else, (including the Osiris page) where it says that. Is it true? Can we get some sources? SweetNeo85 05:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Plagarism
A copy-and-paste largely from the "history of alcohol and drinking around the world" link provided at the bottom. I doubt the PhD whom wrote it would have given his work to the public domain. But I would happily be proven wrong. The fact that the references are given without the actual notes that those references refer to are a dead giveaway. Fix the citations if this IS approved for the public domain.
- I emailed David J. Harmon, the author of the text on which this article is based and putatively the same person as User:David Justin who created the page, to make sure this wasn't a copyright violation. He responded, "I posted those articles with the understanding that I relinquished copyright by doing so." --Flex (talk|contribs) 14:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References
I added the 'Unreferenced' template to this article. It appears that some effort was made to cite sources in the first section, but full references to those sources are not present. (a last name and a date is not a full reference) After that introductory paragraph, the citations stop completely. There are several statements of fact which need to be sourced, and there are a few direct quotes (typed out inside quotation marks) which are also not sourced. In order to avoid the plagiarism issue raised earlier on this page, these items need to be sourced soon or deleted. - Justin (Authalic) 05:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed merger
I proposed a merger with Alcohol in the early modern period and Alcohol in Colonial America. Those articles are quite long and perhaps should retain their status as independent articles, but their contents should at least be given a summary and a {{main}} link here. The history of alcohol did not end with ancient Greece. --Flex (talk|contribs) 14:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- I diagree. There history of alcohol in other countries. And this article can have sections that have their own seperate articles. Miaers 22:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think we're talking about mutually exclusive options here. Certainly there are some unique developments by country/region (perhaps some of these are even worthy of their own articles), but there is also a general historical flow. The problem is that this article only discusses the ancient world. What about medieval developments? What about modern developments? That's where this merger proposal comes in: give (at least) a summary of those other articles here. --Flex (talk|contribs) 00:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Source
Hi Flex- History of Alcohol and Drinking around the World was the source of "History of alcohol" when it was begun so listing it as "Source" rather than as an "External link" would be more accurate. You suggested as an alternative listing it with the material derived from it. Please note that, with the exception of one sentence, all material in "History of alcohol" derives from History of Alcohol and Drinking around the World. Thanks. David Justin 17:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
