Talk:HMS Thunder Child
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[edit] Basis for presumptions
All information I have added to this article is based on Wells's novel, except for the statistics in the ship-box, which are those of Polyphemus. I see that 211.11.155.6 has added to that base, including upgrading Thunder Child's armament and giving her a motto. On what are those additions based? ➥the Epopt 4 July 2005 14:38 (UTC)
- I have received no reply in the two weeks since I asked the above question, so I have removed the additions. ➥the Epopt 15:19, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Description problems
The online text of Well’s novel regarding Thunder Child can be found here: http://www.online-literature.com/view.php/warworlds/17 Here is his initial description:
“About a couple of miles out lay an ironclad, very low in the water, almost, to my brother's perception, like a water- logged ship. This was the ram THUNDER CHILD.”
I don’t see anywhere a mention of a torpedo ram specifically, only the two terms “ram” and “Ironclad”; both rather generic considering the period. Ships armed with rams were not exactly uncommon, ram tactics were even used by battleships in WW1. As such I find the reference to Polyphemus a little specific and the whole "description" section rather interpretive.
This Japanese website shows clear documentation of a number of ram equipped ships from the period: http://www.geocities.jp/ironclad_tripod/Photoalbum/album05.htm
I feel it's appropriate to use Well's text in the article since it is copyright free. And besides, even if it were still within copyright, under the rules of copyright the use of an excerpt for descriptive purposes within an article is still allowable.OzoneO 17:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- A few paragraphs after your quote is the line: "It was the torpedo ram, Thunder Child, steaming headlong, coming to the rescue of the threatened shipping." ➥the Epopt 17:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Granted. And yet there is still the term "ironclad" and the efficaciousness of her guns. Therefore I made subtle changes to the text to reflect Well’s creative ambiguity, but did not remove references to the Polyphemus. OzoneO 17:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- What is the concensus of how the Martians were taken down? I always read it that Thunder Child destroyed the first with her guns, then rammed the second one, but after re-reading the original passage it merely says that the Martian was "cut down", with no mention how. The reason I ask is that the article clearly states that both Marians were rammed. --Crais459 10:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
