Talk:Holden Commodore

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Assessment comments The following comments were left by the assessors: (edit · refresh) This article serves a great purpose to anyone wanting to find out information on the Commodore. More information is needed, about police cars and the exporting market. Use the Ford Falcon article only as an example for the types of sections this article needs. SenatorsTalk | Contribs 02:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Model grouping 2 Commodore royal wedding edition 3 VK Commodore 4 VR Commodore 5 redirect... 6 Vandalism and POV statements 7 Wrong Picture 8 Not quite a 'full-size' car 9 Forum links - yes or no? 10 Article separation

[edit] Model grouping

Why does this article group the VY and VZ Commodores with the models before them? The VY introduced an entirely new body design. - Mark 07:01, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

No it didn't. In any case the VL gets its own heading and that wasn't a new body design either. The engine change probably warrants it, although the VZ has a new engine but no separate heading... Anyway, you don't like it, change it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.7.183.130 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Commodore royal wedding edition

I believe Holden produced a royal wedding edition of the Holden Commodore, probably a VC, may have been a VH. The NSW plates had an ER prefix and a mini plate duplicated on the glovebox. Was this a factory product, dealer sales gimmick or just a privateers aftermarket touch?

[edit] VK Commodore

What happened to it? --Jquarry 01:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] VR Commodore

I noticed that for the VS commodore it says that the engine retained the cast iron block and cylinder heads from the VR. While the cylinder head was still cast iron,. it was a completely different moulding. The VR still had the mouldings from when the engine was used as a V8 and the spark plugs for the front two cylinders were angled towards each other while the rear ones were angle away from the others. This was corrected on the VS and they all angled from the cylinder head the same.

[edit] redirect...

'toyota lexcen' redirects to holden commodore. i have a feeling someone's being naughty... but i don't know how to fix it. just thought i'd let people know. cheers riana 16:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The reason for this is that the Lexcen was a rebadged Commodore with very little if anything , other than the badges being changed.

Ah, derrr, didn't read the whole thing properly. My bad! riana 17:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism and POV statements

We seem to be getting a fair bit of attention on this article. Some is just clear vandalism, but there seems to be quite a bit of attention from those wanting to add point of view statements. I'll try and catch new ones with a citation request. Decromin 16:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong Picture

The picture on the VZ part is wrong. the VZ commodore as the fins that the side blinker is on. Its on the guard under the mirror, but it isnt in the picture...How come?

The fake vents on the VZ were only used on the SS and other high level models. The picture shows an Executive, which did not feature these vents. Decromin 16:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not quite a 'full-size' car

I should point out that the Commodore was never a full-size car. For starters, the Commodore has never, and still is not, as big as a Falcon. When the Commodore was introduced in '78, it was significantly smaller than the Kingswood and was much closer to a 'mid-size' car. Although it continued to grow in size with each new generation, it still never quite became a full-size. Look at the facts - the Commodore is still less than 4.9m long, and about 1.85m wide. Those dimensions are about the same as a Camry, 380, Accord, or Sonata, which are all mid-size cars. A full-size is more like 5m+ long and 1.9m+ wide. For example, the Ford Crown Victoria in the US measures 5.4m long - that is a full size car. The Chrysler 300, another full-size car, is exactly 5m long. SOME variants of the Commodore are full-size, however. The wagon and ute are both on a stretched wheelbase, and as such are longer than 5m, as are the Statesman/Caprice. But the sedan with its short wheelbase, still falls short of a true full-size. Davez621 09:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The Commodore is classed as a full-size car in the Australian market. The BF Falcon is 22mm longer than the VE, however the VE is 35mm wider and 32mm taller. Compared to tha Camry, the VE is 59 mm wider, 79mm longer, but 4mm lower. Compared to the Accord, it's 64mm longer, 79mm wider, and 21mm taller. --Richmeister 10:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, according to VFACTs, the Commodore is in the large segment, while the Statesman and 300 are in the 'upper large' segment. To me this says that the Commodore isn't a full-size car, because the term full-size implies that a car is in the largest class. You can't go any bigger than 'full size'. Perhaps a compromise would be to use the term 'large' ? Davez621 11:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Large car is a redirect, but it exists. If that's the official Australian classification, we should be using it instead of some North American equivalent. --DeLarge 11:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I will settle on large (according to the Wikipedia article on car classifications, 'large' includes both mid-size and full-size cars), but the Commodore is in no way a full-size car. Davez621 07:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Commodore is a large family car in Australia, and is classified as a large car (if not full-size).

[edit] Forum links - yes or no?

Seems that there are forum links coming back onto this page. These links don't meet wiki criteria, but as other automotive pages have plenty of links to fan forums, I'm loathe to keep removing them. Any thoughts on how to treat them? Decromin 15:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article separation

Since this is split into separate articles, is the duplication really worth it?? Maybe a few basic notes, and the see X article thing may do? --SunStar Net^talk 00:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

HB4026- Ive culled the notes for you. Can you do me a favour to spread out the spacing so it matches the text boxes? Thanks