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[edit] Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937

Hey! Thanks for your concern on my rating of the article on Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937. First off, let me state that importance ratings mean pretty much nothing (and are almost 100% subjective). There are VERY VERY few articles i give a top importance, and 90% of all articles i give a low rating. Also, to get a rating above a B, it has to be really really good. That being said, you say there is only one reference. Are there not any media references? (media coverage, a news story, something else like that) that could be cited? If there is not, that would probably reinforce my rating of mid importance. How important is it overall to the global concept of aircraft? (keep in mind, I may have rated it higher if it was part of a different project.) Hope this helped explain my ratings. If there is anything else you are concerned about or would like to diescuss, please let me know on my talk page. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Might I also reccomend using named refs for citations in the article. That way, you can use a citation multiple times and have it only show once in the refernces section. If you need help with this, I would be more than glad to help ya. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

OK. No prob... I dont see a reason for ref's, but if we do some, then they should be named... --Homer Landskirty 16:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

OK. --Homer Landskirty 16:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Is the section on the Nielsen murder in the reports or is that from other sources? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I dont care so much for that section, since it is not so closely related to that accident itself. But I understand, that this murder can be seen as a social/juristical aspect of the accident. I added a reference to a web page of SkyGuide (a private company that employed Nielsen and that was effectively (not necessarily juristically) responsible at that time). --Homer Landskirty 17:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I hope you do not take offense, i am going through a citing several of the sections with the information I can find. When I first started here, i wrote my first article without any citations. I have slowly began to get used to them and now, the first thing i look at when i see an article is citations. If there are none, i rarley rely on teh article because it could be uncredible. (while articles with citations can still be uncredible), at least the soruces can be checked. There are several sections in this article that did not come from the orginial report (at least it appears that way). I am just taking my time, reading up on it and adding appropriate citations. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

No - its ok for me... --Homer Landskirty 19:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

you would not happen to have citations for the following conent would ya? I am having trouble finding it. "Campioni was supposed to fly the next leg of the journey as handling pilot." and "Many believe that this accident could have been avoided if the proper lessons had been taken from a near-miss which occurred about a year before the Bashkirian-DHL collision". That would be very helpful in enhancing this article? I have also tagged these sentences within the article with the {{Fact}} template. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... I think, the co-pilot was flying, while the pilot (PIC?) was doing the radio... See page 7 of the official BFU report... How they spread their tasks, if they would have been able to continue their flight past 21:35:32, is not so interesting (most likely some reporter sucked that info out of his fingers...)... --Homer Landskirty 19:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

That "near miss" might be this incident near or over Japan [1] (maybe we should do an article about that, too?), where they had some injuries and a similar situation (all flight deck crews decided to ignore the ATCO and to obey the TCAS). Then there was a change proposal CP112 for TCAS (it contained something about a reversal RA in case of missing success after the (original) RA has been executed; page 35 of that BFU report). --Homer Landskirty 19:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lisa Nowak

Thanks for your input about Lisa Nowak! Please keep in mind, whilst your thoughts about NASA may be interesting to some, your personal speculations are original research. The article may only include documented, verifiable accounts and interpretations from reliable, published secondary sources and the talk page is meant for discussing those and how to integrate them into a helpful article. Personal thoughts briefly thrown in to accompany these citations are ok for context but otherwise have no place on the talk page. Meanwhile, welcome to Wikipedia! Gwen Gale 19:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Homer, with all due respect, I have deleted the stalking thread you started as nonsense. Unless you can cite a reliable secondary source, it is not an acceptable topic for the talk page. If you would like to discuss it here, however, that's ok. I'll watch this page and will be happy to respond. Thanks for your understanding. Gwen Gale 19:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Oke doke... :-) I still think, that the information in the article is contradictious, what was the reason for beginning that "stalking thread"... The contradiction is: If there really was stalking activity since weeks, then it is very unlikely that this pepper spray assault happened, because the paths between Air force and NASA/Navy and even Army cannot be so long... And if Shipman liked it so much, that she did not complain, why doesnt she like the pepperspray, too? <-- That was a little too provoking possibly... --Homer Landskirty 19:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The pith here is... I don't think many would agree with your logic. Shipman mentioned the stalking on her request for a restraining order and she didn't say she liked it. You're right about one thing though, your conflations of the facts into these speculations are provocative, wholly unsupported and potentially disruptive, so I think it would be so helpful if you'd keep your comments about this here on your talk page :) Gwen Gale 19:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it looks like, not many would agree with my logic... Now I wonder, when she was aware of the stalking the first time, and what she did to stop it, and why it didnt work. But I can live with that uncertainity... :-) Maybe in some months we can complete the article, when the missing information is published... --Homer Landskirty 19:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

thread completed. [please remove this line, if u want to continue it in spite of this line] --Homer Landskirty 19:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937

I notice you have twice altered the spelling from Commonwealth English to American English. In accordance with WP:ENGVAR this is prohibited. Thanks for your well-meaning effort, but I have undone your change, while keeping a useful distinction you made. Best wishes, --Guinnog 18:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Okidoke... I think, this is, because F.Rep.GERM is in the EU (so british spelling)? --Homer Landskirty 19:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that logic works for me. What matters most is not to change from one version to another, except where the subject of the article is unambiguously American, British, Australian etc. I added the link you suggested. Thank you for your help in making the article a little better. --Guinnog 19:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok... I installed the british spelling dictionary for my browser and found some further spelling errors... Cross-check, please. --Homer Landskirty 19:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

If you are interested in doing typo corrections, there is always work needing to be done at WP:TYPO. What part of Germany are you from? --Guinnog 20:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I was born/raised in/near Kiel (northern GERM), currently I live near Hamburg (northern GERM) and I was resident of several cities in GERM (Munich (southern GERM), Berlin (eastern GERM), Essen (western GERM)). --Homer Landskirty 20:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I love Hamburg, Berlin, Munchen and Tubingen. I have had many good times in these places. Welcome, and good work. --Guinnog 21:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thx. --Homer Landskirty 21:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)