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For references on vehicle specifications, I found the following site very useful:

This a Australian website just add what car and the year it was manufactured

Added by Senators^{Talk | Contribs} 01:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

For further reference:

http://www.hondacars.com/info/news/article.asp?ArticleID=2002082048053&bhcp=1&BrowserDetected=True

http://www.hondacars.com/info/news/article.asp?ArticleID=2003040241743

TimothyPilgrim 20:11, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Inconsistent specs

I fear some of the specs between the various generations are wrong, or at least inconsistent. For example, the "Honda E engine" article says that the 2nd generation Civic had EJ- and EM-type engines; this article says it was the older ED-type. (For what it's worth, I'm betting the engine article is correct.)

At the very least the specs for each generation need to be roughly checked and compared against other Honda-related articles or outside sources. 209.63.111.55 00:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pics

there aren't any pics of american honda civcs on the top, the american civic should be next to the European civic, Also, we need to add the Honda Civic si 4-door. there should be other pics of older sis too. Maybe a few pics of racing civics. And why is there a thing about Australian saftey? shouldn't there be american ratings too?

[edit] Type R

There are no mentions whatsoever of the Type R for the last gen. civic and there is only an horsepower rating for the first gen. type r, not even an engine code. Still, there are mentions of the type-r concept...

[edit] European Civic

Why does the European Civic not get a mention? The Type-R models are based on the European models, and the new 2006 hatchback is far more interesting and better designed than the U.S. Civic.

true, otherwise it'll be confused by some people who are looking for a new civic (people trying to buy one). Since ther eis no mention that it's an European car, people will think it's the american civic

Agreed. That section doesn't come across too well - Lindsay Haus

Yes. The European Civic definitely deserves it's own article. Please, address this.

No. Hell no. The Civic hatchback gets its own section in this article. --93JC 14:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

What article are you talking about? You posted no link as you suggested, and I just searched for the hatchback, and there is no article. Please point me to the article you are talking of.

[edit] approaching Accord size?

Seems to me that many current Civics are considerably larger than my wife's old 1979 Accord. Both have grown quite a bit. Any measured size info available somewhere that could be incoporated

Popular brands are upsized over time. Accord went from compact to mid-size. Civic went from subcompact to compact. 205.174.22.28 23:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The blue Civic is an Si, not an SiR (updated)

An anonymous user changed the caption from "Civic Si" to "Civic SiR," which is incorrect. I uploaded the picture, which is of an acquaintance's car, and happen to know that it is in fact a U.S. Civic Si (not a Canadian SiR, which was substantially identical to the U.S. Si but branded as an SiR for various reasons).

An anonymous user changed the caption of the picture of this car to "Civic SiR" with the rationale that b16a-equipped Civics are sold as the SiR in all non-U.S. markets. Although this is true, it is nonetheless irrelevant regarding the caption of the picture because this particular automobile is not an SiR, but rather a U.S. Civic Si.
If a contributor wishes to contribute a photo of an actual SiR from a non-U.S. market, it would likewise be incorrect to caption such a photo as "an Si," for similar reasons.
--Ryanaxp 16:30, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Civic Type-R

I edited the material added yesterday (3/22/05) to clarify that the Civic Type-R was not first produced in 2001; rather, the EK9 CTR was first made in Japan in 1999. Also, I edited the added paragraph to reduce the level of breathless market-speak which was inappropriate for encyclopedic entries. --Ryanaxp 05:14, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

I thought the Type-R first came out in '97? It was certainly available by the time Gran Turismo was released in 1997 ^_^ --Zilog Jones 23:09, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

You're totally right—the Civic Type-R was indeed released in 1997 according this this press release from Honda. I'll go back and fix my goof... —Ryanaxp 18:14, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

The 2007 Civic Type R will feature ESP, i.e. have a more playful variant of VSA - see e.g. http://www.channel4.com/4car/rt/honda/civic/1382/7 or Honda's own pages. The article currently says no ESP. Can someone correct please? Thanks. Funky (new to Wikipedia editing...) Funkdancer 03:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EP, not EM?

I'm pretty sure the new model Civic is the "EP", and not the "EM" as shown in the article. Though I'm confused now - some sites seem to say "EP/EM" - what's going on? --Zilog Jones 23:20, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Your right it's EP not EM I think EM runs from 2001 or 2002 up to 2006 those are all EM labtekwon 00:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

i was wrong they're FG t(-_-t).tekwon 01:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, each generation uses several different chassis codes.

For example, 6G uses EJ (most US bodies), EK (most bodies in other countries), EM (US Civic Si, Canadian Civic SiR) and EN (US Civic GX)

7Gs also use EM (most US bodies), EN (US Civic GX), EP (US Civic Si), and ES (US Civic Hybrid).

8G uses at least both FA (US sedans), FD (JDM Hybrid and other?) and FG (US coupes). --Tqless 15:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

EP is the chassis code for the 2002-2005 Civic Si hatchback, EM is the code used for the 2001-2005 Civic Coupes.

[edit] Predecessor?

Tell me if I'm wrong, but in the sidebar, it lists predecessor as "none." At least in the North American markets, we got a vehicle known as the "Honda 600," sold in coupe and sedan variants. It was smaller than a civic, but I would definitely list it as a predecessor. in fact, I'm adding it to the page until somebody disagrees. - Apocaplops 04:18, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

According to this, the successors to the N600 was considered to be the Honda Life and Z, which are also keijidousha-class cars. The Civic is a much larger car, with the original having an engine almost twice the size as the N600. Therefore I don't think saying that would be correct saying they are related. --Zilog Jones 10:50, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Production dates

Why has someone re-ruined these dates, after I corrected them all!?

The new models of Civics did not come out at the beginning of every year - that is just stupid. The EF Civic started production in 1987, not 1988, even though the previous generation was still being produced for some time in 1987 as well.

And I don't care if those are the dates of US releases - we are talking about PRODUCTION dates of the car in general, i.e. when production started/stopped in Japan. I took those dates off the Honda website, and they are also the same as on the Japanese Wikipedia page, so they are undoubtedly correct. Don't do it again Mr. random IP address! --Zilog Jones 10:21, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Please FOR THE LOVE OF GOD would people stop messing with the dates! I don't know how putting the production dates starting the year after they started makes any sense - especially with the new model - how can something you can buy today in Japan be in production starting next year!? That makes 0% sense. --Zilog Jones 02:28, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Model year my friend, model year. Using calendar year to mark production is overly pedantic, and something that next to no one on the planet uses. A model year 1987 Civic is assumed to have ended production in June-August of 1987, and a model year 1988 Civic is assumed to have begun production in August-September of 1987, even though it's known as a "1988 Civic". It's a universal standard employed throughout the auto industry. --93JC 18:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

In this case I think we should list them both the production and model year.

[edit] CRX=Civic?

Can some info on the CRX and CR-X del sol be included for this site? Or is the CRX a completely different car?

Technically, the CR-X was a spin-off of the Honda Ballade. --Zilog Jones 15:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

And the Ballade was the original four-door variant of the Civic, and before the CRX came out already shared most of it's sheetmetal with the Civic aside from the front clip. The Ballade was more of a short-term experiment based on the Civic that formed the basis for the CRX work than the entirely-seperate vehicle platform you're implying.

What even the later ones that matched the styling of the newer Civic and were badged Honda Civic CRX?? 81.171.247.82 15:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 4wd?

There was a civic available with 4wd? Can anyone ad any imformation about this system? --Poody 23:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

The Civic Wagovan in the 1980s was availiable with 4wd. I know next to nothing about the system used, except that it became an automatic system in the late 80s[1]. Lack Thereof 10:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I had some passing acquaintance with one, but not enough to do a writeup. My main memory is that it was oddly truckish for a Civic, like they had transplanted the chassis from one of those little suzuki 4wds or something under the civic body. Gzuckier 15:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

In Japan there was also a 6th generation Civic RTi which was an AWD (not all-time AWD) model and came with the D16A. The chassis code is EK5. --Tqless 11:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Civic affairs

It's said the Alliston, ON, plant (which I notice isn't mentioned...) makes best Civics in the world, better than JDM, ... It also went into production of the Odyssey minivan in only 87 days, a company record. (BTW, Jim Kenzie of TSN's "Motoring" called the '73 G1 Civic "an Austin 1100 that didn't leak oil or blow up"...) Trekphiler 15:58, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Wow, "best Civics in the world"? That's not completely opinionated at all! Anyway, they only make the coupes there now, which aren't exactly everyone's cup of tea, especially outside North America. --Zilog Jones 15:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Who said that? References are generally helpful...

[edit] "Trim Level: Honda Civic Coupe Si 2006" NPOV

This whole section needs to be rewritten. "This trim of Civic redefines the whole definition of "budget rides"? Please... This crap reads like a cheezy press release. --93JC 18:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I edited it a little bit, but it still sounds too much like a press release. Somebody else should tackle this... 06:41, 27 January 2006

I cut this section way down, removed the separate heading, and tried to keep nothing but the specifications, which I verified from Honda's website. I removed the NPOV tag. Bad ideas 21:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Much better, thank you. --93JC 00:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DX/EX/LX/...

Shouldn't this article contain some informaiton about the different verisions of civic such as LX/EX/DX (etc) and what exactly they mean?

don't forget hx

Different markets have different trims. --93JC 00:20, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there are so many trims available throughout the world that it's just not worth it. From the RTi as I mentioned in my other posting to the GX, the natural gas model available in the US as a 6th gen and 7th gen model. --Tqless 11:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

So then, why do we only have the US trim levels listed up there right now (along with the US chassis codes)? It makes it very confusing since there are so many other trims available throughout the world.. --Tqless 15:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Station Wagons and Doors

A station wagon (estate car here) is usually referred to as having the same number of doors as its Hatch equivalent, this is common sense as the openings are usually similar and definitely closer to hatch than to sedan (saloon car), therefore a wagon with two passenger doors and a luggage compartment door is a 3-door and one with 4 passenger doors is a 5-door. --81.171.247.82 13:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update Request

I think this page needs an update big time. The car at the top is like two generations old. My 7th gen civic isn't even on here, and the latest ones for 2006 aren't on either. Tertiary7 23:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I feel that we should keep the images that were removed by Karraman for now, to show the subject of the car better. A couple was rather poor quality but alot weren't but we can make replacements. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 01:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Please don't use fair use images in this article as they are not fair use as images can be replaced. I'm going out today and will take some photos and will add them if they are good. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 14:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism section?

This is purely original research and should be deleted. Does anyone have any objections?--Folksong 01:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

yes, most car sections have criticism, as long as they have fact and base that add to actual information i dont see the problem.

[edit] Honda Nicknames for the Civic

Just in case anyone's wondering, the terms such as "Wonder Civic," "Grand Civic" and others are terms used by Honda Japan and Honda Asia to describe each generation aside from the chassis code.--Folksong 01:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Civic Pictures

Could someone get some pictures of the new Civic hatchback? The new saloon (what's currently there) looks mind-numbingly boring in comparison... --Zilog Jones 20:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Massive photo gallery

Someone with a lot of patience ought to go through and drastically reduce the huge photo gallery in this article. I swapped some of the low-quality pics out of the infoboxes with decent ones from the gallery, but there is still an unmanageable volume. The better pictures should be illustrating the actual generations within their article sections, and the rest should be taken out of the page. IFCAR 12:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

You are mistaken, people actually read that. Do show some patience and wait 24 hours before posting on the WikiProject talk page - it is used for more general issues. I will see about the gallery in a moment. Regards, Bravada, talk - 12:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. I wasn't sure what the chances were that anyone would just happen to read the Civic discussion page any time soon. IFCAR 17:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

At first I thought of selecting the best pictures that comply with the guidelines, but then I saw that the article is already shorter than the infoboxes! One photo per infobox is fine - I only changed one where we have a better-quality photo - the rest should remain in the Commons. We can think of reinserting more pics when the article is (finally) expanded - until then, please restrain yourselves :D Still, we might use better pics for first and fifth generation - browse the internet, find a nice free pic, contact the owner, get the permission, upload! Bravada, talk - 13:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

someone should advise Bravada that mass refers to solidity of content, not size. 152.163.100.7

Would you say that this image is any better than the current photo of the 5th-gen Civic? IFCAR 20:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Not really. That's funny, actually - I always thought of this generatio of Civics as fairly popular, yet there seems to be no decent photo of any of them! Bravada, talk - 20:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I hear you, I've been looking. When I do see them, often they aren't in usable shape. They're eleven years old at the newest, and eleven-year-old cars aren't typically in fantastic shape. IFCAR 21:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I found a 2nd-gen and 5th-gen hatchback parked side by side, which I thought was worth stopping for photos of. The lighting wasn't great, but are any of these usable? [2] [3][4] [5] IFCAR 00:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely worth stopping for! Too bad the 2nd-gen is so rusty, but fortunately the photo we have now ain't too bad. The 5th-gen is probably much better than anything we have now (I can see a bit of your car too :D ). I will also try to look around for some, I would have said those little hatchbacks are all around the place, but now that I need them suddenly they're all gone... Bravada, talk - 01:08, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Should I put one of the 5th-gen photos in the article in place of the existing one? Do you have a preference between the two? IFCAR 01:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I have found the following 5th-gen pic on Flickr: [6] [ It is licensed under CC-BY or CC-BY-SA, so we can upload them to the Commons, and also crop and edit it etc. - do you think it is any better than what we have now? Bravada, talk - 23:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and how about this one for the current-gen (to make the article a little more "worldwide" and, frankly speaking, prettier)?

The 5th-gen photo is definitely much better, especially if it can be cropped. And considering how long the current-gen section of the article is, there should be space for a photo of the US and Euro Civic (the JDM model is already at the very top). IFCAR 19:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, there they are! I've done some lousy GIMP butchery on the Coupe, trying to cover up the antenna and the driveway in the background with fake grass and do something with the dirty driveway in the foreground (the car was so dirty I gave up after a few spots) - I hope the quality is not too shabby for the infobox at least, it's a placeholder anyway. The 8th-gen didn't come out as nice as I hoped, but both pics are CC-BY, so if anybody had more free time (and photoshop skills), feel free to play with them. Cheers, Bravada, talk - 00:17, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

PS. I would also like to recommend you to browse Flickr's Creative Commons section, there are quite a fee good quality free pics there (remember to choose those that aren't tagged "non-commercial" or "non-derivatives")!

[edit] US Civic Si gauges

the 2006 civic si's gauges aren't "more reddish," they are red (I agree with the aggressive comment, though), while the civic EX/LX/DX has blue gauges. I haven't seen the inside of a Hybrid to comment if they are different.

[edit] 2-doors are sedans?

The latest change replaces the phrase "2-door coupe" with "2-door sedan." Sorry, but in my book, 2-doors are coupes. Sedans have 4 doors. Will (Talk - contribs) 12:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

There is such a thing as a two-door sedan, believe it or not. --93JC 00:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe, but I question that the Civics of the era were large enough. The article mentions the phrase "2-door sedan" in the portion of the article talking about the original model. That model was the smallest Civic ever released. Will (Talk - contribs) 01:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Large enough to be a sedan? There is no particular minimum size to qualify as a two-door sedan... --93JC 02:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

From the article you mentioned: "A two-door sedan is defined by the SAE as any two-door model with rear accommodation greater than or equal to 33 cubic feet (0.934 m³)". I question that the early Civics (or even the current Civic 2 & 3 models) have that much room. The article talks mainly about much larger coupes like "the Chevrolet Monte Carlo, Ferrari 612 Scaglietti, and Mercedes-Benz CL-Class coupes are all two-door sedans." Will (Talk - contribs) 04:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Ha! True enough. Serves me right for not reading that, eh?

Then again, it also says "In the popular vernacular, a two-door sedan is defined by appearance and not by volume—vehicles with a so-called formal roofline are called two-door sedans, while those with the more common sloping backlight are called coupes."

Which is what I was thinking of. --93JC 18:32, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dimensions

Was looking at this page while car shopping. Wouldn't the dimensions be easier for everyone to understand if they were in metric, rather than Imperial, given how few countries use Imperial? Nfitz 20:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consolidation with Eighth Generation Honda Civic

The to-do list on this page states to "break apart the generations with more text into seperate articles". I strongly disagree with this point. Looking at this article, it appears far too clumsy and aesthetically unpleasant due to the fact that the templates are somehow longer than the raw text. Hence, I advocate a merge-in of Eighth Generation Honda Civic into this article and add more text into other generations without splitting separate generations from the main article. As it is, generations of car models do not require separate articles, as can be seen from even lengthier articles like Toyota Corolla, Pontiac GTO and Ford Mustang which are all presentable, acceptable and conslidated. The only occasion when it requires a separate article is when it becomes a major scion or new model line from an original model, like Toyota Camry Solara from Toyota Camry from, or Toyota Celica Supra from Toyota Celica. In this case, the Honda Civic Si can mantain its separate status, since it is a major notable variant rather than a minor unnotable spin-off, like the Subaru Impreza WRX STI from Subaru Impreza WRX from Subaru Impreza. In the absence of specific guidelines defining the situation and course of action, mantaining consistency is important and - as a bonus - definitely more practical. 211.175.217.194 08:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I strongly advocate it, as well. The main article is too sparse on information, anyway. The key thing is that it is not neccessary to have separate pages on topics too closely related, I believe. Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 18:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 99-00 Civic Si

I removed the line "Only the Si model offered a VTEC engine." The Si had a DOHC VTEC, and the EX had a SOHC VTEC. Also, I suggest someone post a different picture of the that year's Si. The grille on the current pic is not from the Si and makes the whole car questionable, as it could easily be an EX with the spoiler and stickers of the Si. --Cirilobeto 22:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The To-Do list needs work

For one thing, there should not be sub-articles about each generation of the Civic.Hondasaregood 05:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TO DO LIST

I am Senators and I will be doing some of the issues that were brought up on the TO DO LIST within the next week or more and I am glad to be at assitance, if anyone else needs any help on a car article just tell me on my talk page. Senators^{Talk | Contribs} 01:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Overhaul.

I looked over what you wanted done, and I will try to do that the best as possible, and expand. I will still split it by generation. The Civic is sold all over the world with the same body style. Karrmann 04:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

My brain's fried from ooverhauling teh Mercury Grand Marquis article. I'll do this tomorrow. Karrmann 04:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

NOW, I am ready to get some work done here. Karrmann 14:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm not Sure if I'm going to say this but...

I'm not sure if I am going to say this or not but, is there a GPS device inside the '07 Honda Civic or not? IsuzuAxiom1007 (talk • contribs) 05:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia is not a place to advertise

I had to remove a sentence in the opening section of the article that was obviously inserted to promote the car. It was so biased, that it could have been right out of a Honda ad in a newspaper. I'm glad that people like to write and expand on wikipedia articles. Without editors, wikipedia would not be what it is. However, please refrain from promoting a vehicle. Understandably, people get excited about their cars and want to let others know how much they enjoy the vehicle. Expanding on the article about a car you love is awesome. But make sure you do it from a neutral stance. Text such as "regarded by most people to be an excellent value in style, power, performance, dependability, and depreciation, etc." is never acceptable on wikipedia. Those of you who are editing in good faith, keep up the good work, the article looks great! Chris01720 20:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, the section on the 8th generation is beginning to look an awful lot like a brochure for the civic. I don't want to say that it has weasel words, because it doesn't, but someone wrote that while looking at a brochure with the the facts and features that they got at a Honda dealer. Again, those of you who edit in good faith, keep up the good work. Chris01720 20:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seventh Generation Civic Type R

The power specification figures and units are misleading. The unit for Specific Engine Output is Power/Volume (i.e. PS/litre), the unit for Specific Power is Power/Weight (i.e. bhp/lb).

Also, 197 bhp = 199.7 PS = 146.9 kW

and 199.7 PS/1.998 litres = 99.95 PS/litre

I can't find a figure for the weight of the 7th generation CTR, which is needed to work out the Specific Power.

This generation of the Type R was based on the 3 door hatchback model that was available in Europe. The body shape was not specifically developed for the Type R, as the article leads one to believe. In the UK at least (and maybe in other parts of Europe), there was a S-Type Civic, which shares most of the exterior modifications of the Type-R, but was fitted with a lower output engine.

There's an S-Type that parks in my street, I'll try to get a photo.

It's also interesting to note that the eighth-generation UK Civic 3 door hatches are only available in Type-S or Type-R specs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sunny dundee (talk • contribs) 10:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

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