Talk:Hot toddy

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1 Bronze Bell
2 "National Hot Toddy Day"
3 Anglosphere
4 Stargate episode
5 Resemblance to cola
6 What is a hot toddy?

[edit] Bronze Bell

i'm not sure the excerpt of The Bronze Bell is really helpful in describing what a hot toddy is...that's just my opinion though, so i'll leave it for now. Archtemplar 04:06, 13 December 2005 (UTC)Archtemplar

It just helps to validate it's cultural value, I guess. Tez 05:50, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I put it in for two reasons. First, articles that are simply recipes are not allowed in Wikipedia. I wanted to indicate that a hot toddy was not just one of hundreds of mixed drink, just as a peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich is not just one of hundreds of sandwiches. Second, I knew as "common knowledge" that hot toddies are traditionally offered following exposure to severe weather and were traditionally believed to have a curative effect on colds or flu, but I wanted to document that rather than just insert it as my own opinion. The Bronze Bell is an obscure and unimportant book, but the passage I found illustrates the traditional context of the hot toddy perfectly. Dpbsmith (talk) 12:44, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

That's a very good additions/ reasoning. Too many culinary articles on WP lack history or links to culture - they're just recipes. --JD79 01:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "National Hot Toddy Day"

I'm very skeptical. It is true that a Google search on the exact phrase "National Hot Toddy Day" yields many hits, all concurring that it is January 11th, but none of the ones I've looked at give any source. What agency, organization, association, etc. has declared January 11th to be "Hot Toddy Day?" I think it's quite likely that someone just made it up and that websites have copied it from each other. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anglosphere

"Hot toddy is a name, used in the English speaking world (originally Scotland), for a mixed drink that is served hot."

Why did someone think it necessary to put the comment about "English speaking world" (which should be, by the way, "English-speaking world") on this article, but not other English Wikipedia articles? Is not the presence of this page on the English-language Wikipedia enough indication that the term can be assumed to be English? When pages are put on English Wikipedia, and they're about something with a foreign term or foreign word, it makes sense to state that the term is not English. Here, however, it seems superfluous to state that the term is from the "English speaking word." I propose removing this statement.

It would possibly be better to change it to indicate the phrase is slang/a colloquialism, which i assume was what the writer was trying to convey - english is spoken as a second language in many countries, but i doubt the phrase would ever be used, or even recognised, by anyone other than native english/australian/canadian etc. Inzy 02:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe it's because in several areas where English is not native, but spoken due to colonization, toddy is a generic name for palm wine. --JD79 01:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Such a drink is never referred to as a hot toddy in Ireland. The term, if used at all, would be taken instead to mean a hot whiskey or hot port. They are just called, well, 'hot whiskey' or 'hot port' and are made by adding whiskey or port to hot water containing sugar and cloves. I have often had a hot toddy in Scotland too and never did it contain any liquid other than water. I am not at all convinced that what is described here would be recognised as a hot toddy by anyone there. The link in external links describes a drink based on hot water, not coffee, tea or anything else. --Abbeyvet

This word, and in my experience the drink itself, is very rarely used in the American south. Drinking heated alcoholic beverages just isn't a part of the native culture here. I guess it is just too hot here for this to be practical. The pervasiveness of fundamental christianity also contributes to a casual use of alcohol.

[edit] Stargate episode

I'm snipping:

O'Neill, Jack in the Stargate: Atlantis episode The Return. [1]

First, the Wikipedia article cited does not mention hot toddies. Second, even if it did, Wikipedia articles are not considered to be reliable sources for other Wikipedia articles.

Please do not reinsert without a source citation that a) mentions hot toddies and b) meets the reliable source guidelines. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Resemblance to cola

"Curiously enough, there is a noticeable resemblance between the ingredients of a hot toddy and those of cola soft drinks." -- Ok, what resemblance is there? And, assuming that there is a resemblance, why should that fact be called "curious"? And how is it relevant? 24.159.255.29 04:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)