Talk:Ibrahim Rugova

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Contents 1 Ovarian Cancer 2 Favourite clothing 3 Ethnic cleansing 4 Albania and Axis powers 5 hi

[edit] Ovarian Cancer

How is it possible that he died of ovarian cancer?

• It isn't, of course. This is what we call vandalism. If you see anything else of this nature, please correct it. Thanks.--Pharos 00:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Favourite clothing

What's the deal with the scarf he always wears around his neck?

By the skarf were killd His father and Grandfather from the Serbian Komunists in 1944 just 4 days after Ibrahim Rugova was born.

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Maybe he was a Harry Potter fan? I honestly thought it was a weird beard until I looked closer.--Kross^Talk 05:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Rugova often wore a distinctive red waistcoat and a mottled scarf. Maybe, but not in that picture. It's clearly a sweater not a waistcoat. Is that what was meant? Flapdragon 22:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I guess you're right, it is a sweater. I just thought his very consistent fashion sense should be noted– I hope this doesn't fall into original research.--Pharos 22:22, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnic cleansing

In this article, it is claimed that Croatia made an ethnic cleansing of Serbs in the Republic of Serbian Krajina, but operation "Storm" was also the most evil aggression on helpless civilians in the war, with many fatalities and thousands of burned homes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.36.20.182 (talk • contribs) , at 21:17, 22 January 2006.

[edit] Albania and Axis powers

Albania was not occupied-it was an axis allied state (like Croatia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia)-when a country is occupied it does not receive territorial expansions, like Albania did.

Albania very definitely was occupied, first by Italy and then by Germany, until the end of 1944. See Military history of Albania during World War II. The annexation of Kosovo by the Italians seems to have been undertaken to make the Italian occupation more acceptable to Albanian nationalism [1]. -- ChrisO 02:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

But what with Albania after 1943. There was no Italian occupation, and Albania was self proclamed "independent" and "neutral", and fully functioning as German ally (including formation of Albanian SS troups).

Albania was occupied by Germany until it was liberated in 1944. Yes, there were collaborators but there were also resistance organizations. It didn't become voluntarily an axis state. And as far as I know there weren't any changes to its borders after the war. Stop twisting the history around, Albania never was self proclaimed neutral or independent as you say, the article simply states "Berlin subsequently announced it would recognize the independence of a neutral Albania and organized an Albanian government, police, and military." Rejnal 05:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, there was resistance movement in Germany, too, but that does not change your perception of its character during the War. And of course, no changes of the borders after the War, but it received significant territorial expanisons DURING the war, just as any country allied with axis powers. Nations that were considered enemies (France, USSR, Yugoslavia, Poland, Greece)-they were either wiped out or broken into pieces. Resistance in Albania was present against the Italians, but against the Germans it was all but dead until it became clear that the Germans were losing the War. Think about this-if the Germans won, would Albania be better or worse off?

I am not a revisionist historian, not even a simple historian, but I would like to give my opinion in this discussion. It is hard to say that if Nazi Germany won the war, Albania would be better. It is clear it wouldn't suffer under the communist regime, but the Nazi regime was a dictatorship too. Albania would probably gain territories with Albanian majority from Yugoslavia and Greece, but it doesn't imply that it would be an independent and free-to-prosper country. There was a large number of communists/partisans in Albania, and there would be a big struggle going on until the last communist was captured. Think of how much pain would it cause to the innocent people. An armed conflict can never end without touching the civilians.

On the other hand, I also would like to say that those who see WWII Albania as independent and Axis-ally country are totally wrong. First of all, Italy invaded Albania on April 7, 1939, while the Albanian army's efforts did not help against the huge overwhelming Fascist army. Italy installed a puppet government in Albania and Victor Emmanuel III pretended the throne which legally belonged to HM Zog I, who fled to exile. In 1941, Germany conquered most of Yugoslavia including parts of modern Kosovo. Hitler wanted to make sure Kosovo mines are included in the German control zone as they played a major rule in the war industries. While much of Albanian inhabited land was left under German control, the other part of Kosovo and some of western Macedonia fell under Italian control. So, it is not a territorial expansion of an independent Albania to include the "terra irredenta" given to Yugoslavia by the European powers, but it is an expansion a European power - Italy.

It is worth to mention what my grandfather told me about his experiences passing the "Great Albania" (Italian-controlled Albanian lands)-"Small Albania" (German-controlled Albanian lands) border. It took him one week to go from Podujeva to Prishtina and its 20 km from one another. The border was very difficult or almost impossible to pass. Therefore, I would like to ask you if it was a unification of Albania?--Pjetër Bogdani jr. 03:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The best definition to WWII Albania would be "an Axis-occupied nation". Furthermore, it was occupied before WWII.--Pjetër Bogdani jr. 04:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hi

nuke ka tjeter president qe vet vendose , perveqe te ndjerite rugova