Talk:Insensitive (House episode)
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The "I got shot" quote should be removed. It's kind of dumb to have it there unless you have the entire dialog, or, at the very least, what the girl said first. Cameron's sex comment should also be removed for a similar reason.
I'll try to find the complete quote and fix it. Please remember to sign your posts. BethEnd 15:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- I added the entire text of both quotes in question.Cheers — WilsBadKarma (Talk) 16:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Removed Text
I understand what the person was trying to do, but if you decide to make sweeping changes across the article series, it should be discussed first. At least post your argument and let the other members have a say. This is a community project, a number of people come together and write these articles, not just one person alone. At least give us a chance to talk about it. I've restored the removed text through season three (that's all I've had time for tonight). BethEnd 02:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- The reason why I was bold, was because I found that the massive amount of empty sections and pointless sections within the articles was extremely ridiculous. So ridiculous in fact that I doubted that anyone would seriously disagree with me. Therefore, I did not believe I was being reckless. I thought it through, there's a difference. This notion that these sections should be left in the blind hope that another user will come along goes against Wiki policy. Wikipedia articles are meant to be edited or not edited, we don't hope that articles are going to be edited.
Next, with the sectioning.
- "Diagnosis" section: The diagnosis should be stated within the Synopsis section itself.
- "Medical terms" section: Medical terms should be wikilinked within the Synopsis section itself.
- "Clinic Patients" section: Clinic patients are typically not essential to understanding the plot and therefore (as with other media related articles) should be excluded.
- "Arc Advancement" section: What?
- "Happenings" section: This section consistentally is either redundant with the Synopsis or contains information that belongs in the Synopsis or contains information that should only be present on a Character article.
- "Characters" section: All information in these sections belong in either the Synopsis or more likely a Character article.
- "Referbacks" section: This is the most annoying, Referbacks isn't even a word.
The last three I mentioned also consistentally contain OR.
- "Trivia" section: Immediately with the title it violates WP:AVTRIV.
- "Behind the scenes" section: The only legitimate section and it's subhead for "Trivia".
- "Allusions & References" section: This section has to mention every single little quip that Dr. House makes. While is may be interesting, it's not important.
- "Memorable moments" section: Yet another section that contains extreme redundancy with the Synopsis.
- "Music" section: Again, interesting, but not important.
The Filmaker 02:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I agree, some of this stuff can be removed, and some of it changed. These are my suggestions:
- Referbacks - I think what the writer meant something similar to "Allusions to Previous Episodes". But you're right, the name is poor. Keep the section, change the title.
- Medical terms, diagnois, clinic patients - actually I find these sections to be very helpful. Often when I'm looking for a particular episode, it helps to have the illness or character I'm thinking of right there, instead of needing to scan through the summery (for example, when I was trying to find the episodes where they deal with pica the other day). Why not compress the Medical Terms and Diagnosis sections together?
- Trivia, Behind the Scenes - these sections can be compressed, as well as have some things weeded out.
- Memorable Moments - yes, this can be taken out. Everything that can be posted is usually already on the page, and its a weak section
- Music - I agree, this isn't needed. It can be deleted or put in with trivia. There is a website that keeps track of the music in each episode. Perhaps a link can be provided from the show's home page or the episode page.
- Characters - I think this section should be kept. Mix it with the Happenings section it provides enough information about the characters in that episode. But it should be kept short.
- Arc Advancement - Shorten to just the Allusions to Previous Episodes, and Characters.
BethEnd 03:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- Referbacks: The section still is not useful. Like with the "Allusions & References" section, why do we have to mention it everytime House or another character brings up something happened in a previous episode? This is another example of what should be noted in the Synopsis, if at all.
- Medical terms: This the least helpful as a seperate section, can just as easily find the term within the Synopsis.
- Diagnosis: The content is too short to present splinter off into a separate section. Most of the time the section contains only the medical term for the diagnosis.
- Clinic patients: The clinic patients are not essential to understanding the plot. They are trivial and should be removed.
- Trivia, Behind the Scenes: Most of the information that is not relevant enough to be included. When I deleted the content within these sections, it was because it was trivial.
- Characters: I still don't understand why this section should be kept. Any relevant information on the characters should either be kept in the Synopsis or in the corresponding character's article.
The Filmaker 04:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Medical terms usually lists of all the illnesses, procedures, and so one from the episode, not just the final diagnosis. If we put them all in the plot synopsis it would be overly long. Again, I think we should just have one section for medical terms and put the diagnosis in there. Likewise, putting every character's development for that episode in the plot synopsis would weigh that section down. We'd have basically a re-telling of the episode. The character section lets us have a brief line of relevant information. As for Allusions to Previous Episodes - a lot of articles on linear shows have this section. Its good because it helps tie episodes together, is fun to read, and can fill in details not mentioned in the plot synopsis. BethEnd 04:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
"Medical terms usually lists of all the illnesses, procedures, and so one from the episode, not just the final diagnosis. If we put them all in the plot synopsis it would be overly long."
- To wikilink, MRI, brain tumor, ketamine, etc would not make the Synopsis overly long. However they should be mentioned if it essential to understanding the plot, at which point they should be wikilinked. Otherwise, they should not be included at all.
"Likewise, putting every character's development for that episode in the plot synopsis would weigh that section down. We'd have basically a re-telling of the episode. The character section lets us have a brief line of relevant information."
- If the case is that there is some information that is given that is not relevant to understanding the plot of the episode or the entire series, but is relevant to the character itself, it should be placed in the corresponding character's article.
"As for Allusions to Previous Episodes - a lot of articles on linear shows have this section."
- If you could give me one featured article with this section, or one like it, I wouldn't mind. However, if it essential to understanding the plot, a note could be given within parenthesis.
"Its good because it helps tie episodes together, is fun to read, and can fill in details not mentioned in the plot synopsis."
The Filmaker 05:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
Just something nice to note, the scolex, head, of the fish tapeworm in the show is like wrong. scolex of diphyllobothrium does not have suckers and a ring of hooklets as show in the episode. instead it has 2 "sucker grooves".
=)
