Talk:Intratec TEC-DC9

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Contents 1 Sound 2 Listing notorious usage 2.1 I AGREE 3 Prototypes 4 Popular culture

[edit] Sound

this weapon also has a very distinct sound, very similar to the Mp-5

[edit] Listing notorious usage

it is entirely relevant to mention that it was used in the columbine shootings. that is a true fact. it supports the idea that this is a dangerous weapon which has no viable purpose besides killing people. --Alhutch 05:27, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Should I list the thousands of people killed by Mustangs street racing under the Mustang heading? No. It is irrelevant. Mentioning that this firearm was used in the Columbine shootings *IS* entirely relevant under the Columbine shootings page (where it now exists). This is not a soapbox. Funny, I own one, and I use it for shooting targets... Unless you have a 'contribution' other than it "is a dangerous weapon which has no viable purpose besides killing people" (which I just proved is NOT the case), move along. --The Deviant 01:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Since there hasn't been a reply with regards to this, it should be removed. --The Deviant 14:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. Many Wikipedia gun articles have mentioned infamous uses of specific firearms. See John Browning, and mention of Gavrilo Princip's use of one of his pistol designs to start WW I. (FN Browning M1910). Ditto for the gun that killed President McKinley. And, the .41 caliber derringer that killed President Lincoln. There is considerable benefit to knowing historical usages of firearms, whether for good or bad. Yaf 04:59, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Agree with Yaf. perhaps someone who didn't know the weapon was used in the Columbine massacre could link to that article from here. it seems rather POV to not include this information.--Alhutch 05:04, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Yaf on this, actually. After seeing those articles, I agree it could be of historical importance. What I didn't agree with was Alhutch's "it seems rather POV to not include this information" when his "neutral" POV statement above made so much sense: "it supports the idea that this is a dangerous weapon which has no viable purpose besides killing people" (give me a break!). The debated sentence, coupled with that comment ***IS NOT*** simply a statement of historical value. --The Deviant 15:07, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I AGREE

IT WAS ALSO USED IN THE MERRILL V. NAVEGAR CASE HWERE MR. FERRI USED IT TO KILL 8 AND WOUND 6 CALIFORNIA VEIWED THE COMPANY NOT REALIABLE

I fail to see that being a problem. Small handguns that were designed for concealed carry were also designed with the sole purpose of killing other human beings, but unlike the large and heavy TEC-9, they are used much more often in crime and self-defense. The size and weight issue are primarily responsible for the fact that assault weapons were and still are used only extremely rarely in crime. Statistically speaking, small affordable handguns are much more dangerous to the population than TEC-9 and the likes. They are more likely to be illegaly resold on the black market, and more likely to be used in anger due to them being carried more often than scary, but unwieldy, assault weapons. The conclusion that assault weapons are more dangerous to the society than conventional weapons is a fallacy, drawn in a factual vacuum by poorly informed individuals obviously unqualified to make any kind of legislative decisions concerning the very real and the very important problem of gun violence. 68.81.29.74 16:52, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prototypes

I looked at the prototype photo at http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg136-e.htm and I have a feeling I tried it out when I did my military service, but it was a longer version made too. If I'm correct much of the parts came from the Carl Gustaf M/45. // Liftarn

Could you please provide a citation for the claim that the KG-9 was based on the M45? Apart from the fact that they're both tube guns and made in Sweden I don't see any obvious connection. Thanks. Bgeer 18:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I guess "He told me so." falls under "original research". Having done my military service witht he m/45 I can also see the resembance (even without the inside info). Notice the magazine. They are identical (notice the wedge shape). The fast loader for the m/45 can be used. Both uses 9 x 19 mm Luger/Parabellium (altough many do). // Liftarn 13:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Noticed similarities and drawing conclusions from them might fall under original research too. I don't mean to be overly confrontational, but I don't see any sources supporting the M/45 theory here or in a Google search for various combincations of Carl Gustaf M/45 (or M45) and Intratec Tec-9. I'll leave it for now. Highlandlord 03:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Popular culture

Looks like this could be yet another firearms article which degenerates into an irrelevant list of films/games etc where the gun has appeared. Other articles are adopting the practice of having a simple sentence that the gun has appeared in various media, and a separate article detailing the appearances so the kiddies can list each and every one. Riddley 12:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Does the bonus movie-poster appearance in the case of Big Trouble in Little China earn it a spot on the main stage? Ribonucleic 23:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)