Template talk:International club football
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[edit] Article name: an Oxymoron?
A sporting copmpetition is either between nations, or between clubs. Ocassionally, competitions like the King's Cup might mix club and national selections, but these are usually tournaments of low significance, and are not the subject matter of this template. IMHO, multi-national participation, does not equate to international competition: a player at, for example, Cork City, who played against Appollon Limassol last July, is not thereby an international footballer, ergo this is not an international competition (And as for the Intercontinental cup: that was an appalling abuse of the language). Kevin McE 20:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see your point. The article on the word international states (bolded text by me) "International or internationally describes interaction between nations, or encompassing two or more nations, constituting a group or association having members in two or more nations, or generally reaching beyond national boundaries." That the word "international" may also mean a match between two national teams, or a player that has played such a match, does not mean that the general definition of the word is wrong. That you try to prove your point by combining the two uses shows nothing else than that the word can be used in different ways. In the example you give, the Cork City player may not be an "international footballer", but he certainly is "a player who has played internationally". – Elisson • T • C • 21:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
- I do not believe that most sports journalists would write that the putative Cork City player has "played internationally". I am not sure that I would consider the WP article International to be an authoritative definition, but if you wish to consider that page to have a contribution to make, I would refer you to the section of it that does deal with sports: In team sports, "international" commonly refers either to a match between two national teams, or to a player capped by his national team. The Concise Oxford Dictionary gives the adjectival definition as existing, or carried on, between different nations; agreed on by all or many nation. I do not see logical coherence in your wish to label this article as "International club football" and your unwillingness to include these competitions on Template:International football: either this is an element within international football or it is not. Kevin McE 22:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
- OTOH, Merriam-Webster defines international in the same way that the WP article does. I do understand that on the British Islands, "international football" is mostly used to refer to national team football. But there is no problem here as "international club football" tells the reader what kind of international football the template refers to. The Guardian uses that term here, and FIFA uses it here. – Elisson • T • C • 22:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
- I do not believe that most sports journalists would write that the putative Cork City player has "played internationally". I am not sure that I would consider the WP article International to be an authoritative definition, but if you wish to consider that page to have a contribution to make, I would refer you to the section of it that does deal with sports: In team sports, "international" commonly refers either to a match between two national teams, or to a player capped by his national team. The Concise Oxford Dictionary gives the adjectival definition as existing, or carried on, between different nations; agreed on by all or many nation. I do not see logical coherence in your wish to label this article as "International club football" and your unwillingness to include these competitions on Template:International football: either this is an element within international football or it is not. Kevin McE 22:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 1951 Copa Rio
Is this FIFA document proof enough? —Lesfer (t/c/@) 19:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- I am not looking for "proof". I don't dispute that the 1951 Copa Rio is considered official. I just don't believe it is significant enough to warrant a link on this very general template. Not even the UEFA Cup has a link from it. – Elisson • T • C • 20:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- And how relevant is UEFA Cup? 1951 Copa Rio winner is recognized by FIFA as a world champion. And what about UEFA Cup winners? What is a UEFA Cup winner? Honestly... UEFA Cup means absolutely nothing, just as Copa Sudamericana. Its winners are not even recognized as 1st class continental champions. These are consolation tournaments for the ones that did not reach UEFA Champions League and Copa Libertadores. —Lesfer (t/c/@) 21:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest that the header on FIFA Club World Cup is sufficient to allow deletion of both of the now extinct precursors of this competition from this box.
