Talk:Iraqi Turkmen
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[edit] Requested Merger
It has been proposed that the articles of Iraqi Turkoman and Turkomans of Iraq be merged into this article.
Merge! abdulnr 19:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Merge under Turks of Iraq --Cretanforever 19:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, not everyone considers them to be ethnic Turks (of Turkey). Ethnologue even classifies their language as a form of South Azerbaijani. —Khoikhoi 00:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Merge to Iraqi Turkoman. Two articles about the same thing. --334 18:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Merge to Iraqi Turkoman or (probably better) Iraqi Turkmen. QuartierLatin1968 
16:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- The problem with the word Turkmen is that it usually refers to the people of Turkmenistan, a (relatively) unrelated group. --334 20:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Yes but Turcoman (and its variant spellings) has also been used to refer to the Turkmen of Turkmenistan. In any case, we're talking about Oğuz Turks, i.e. people that have been called Turks, Turkmens, Turkomans, etc, at various times and places. It wouldn't be Wikipedia's job to concoct a new distinction between "Turkoman" meaning the Oğuz Turks of Iraq, and "Turkmen" meaning the Oğuz Turks of Turkmenistan. If there's any real evidence of that distinction starting to be consistently made by native English speakers, then I'll withdraw my preference for the spelling Turkmen. QuartierLatin1968 00:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes but Turcoman (and its variant spellings) has also been used to refer to the Turkmen of Turkmenistan. In any case, we're talking about Oğuz Turks, i.e. people that have been called Turks, Turkmens, Turkomans, etc, at various times and places. It wouldn't be Wikipedia's job to concoct a new distinction between "Turkoman" meaning the Oğuz Turks of Iraq, and "Turkmen" meaning the Oğuz Turks of Turkmenistan. If there's any real evidence of that distinction starting to be consistently made by native English speakers, then I'll withdraw my preference for the spelling Turkmen. QuartierLatin1968
[edit] NPOV?
- It is not a very moderate and strong language.
I'm confused by this phrasing. Also, it doesn't sound like NPOV. -- Earle Martin 02:31, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
This quote just means that the language spoken by the Turkomans is not a strong language which means that there are not a lot of words belonging to them.
Sunni Muslims?
It is my imppression that most Iraqi Turkmens are Shi'a Muslims. I have lived in Iraq and I never met a Sunni Turkmen.
- I agree with you as well, but I think they are fearly split between sunni and shia. Chaldean 17:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Turkomans of Iraq and Torkomans of Kara Koyunlu and Ak Koyunlu
- There is a stunning similarity of accent between the dialects of Turkomans of Iraq, especially Shias, and those of Iranian Il-Baghdadi of Shahsavans of Tehran and Markazi provinces, as compared to other Turkic and Turkish accents; Iraqi Turkoman accent despite Arabization is even closer to Shahsavans than to Azari accent.
- The use of word Tukoman both for those in Iraq and those who ruled as Qara Qoyunlu and AQ Qoyunlu Dynasties could also be an indicative origins of Iraqi Torkomans being from those Torkomans.
- The norther part of Iraq and Baghdad most of the times were under the two Qoyunlu dynasties. Qara Qoyunlu being the Shia followers and AQ Qoyunlu being the Sunnis. In fact, they were rivals to each other and fighting each other.
- A big part of Il-Baghdadi of Shahsavans and Qashqai Turks are indeed called Qara Qoyunlu, Naser Khan being one of them.
The points above makes me think that Iraqi Turkomans are indeed closely related to Shahsavans of Iran and descendents of Aq Qoyunlu and Qara Qoyunlu Turkomans. Persian Magi 12:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Figure
The number you gave, namely CIA, is already between the min and max figures. No need to append it. You can find the relevant numbers following the references. Chapultepec 00:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
