Talk:Islam in Poland
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Article Grading: Existing content is all good, but there seems to be room for significant expansion. Badbilltucker 16:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC) |
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An entry from Islam in Poland appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 27 February 2006. |
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[edit] So Polish Muslims weren't targeted by the Holocaust?
That's interesting. With the exception of the leadership purge, it sounds like the Nazis more or less left the Polish Muslims alone. Any historians watching out there: is this the case? --Brasswatchman 03:01, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Well, they were target no more then Poles themselves - which mean they were hit pretty hard. I have heard nothing about special policies Nazis had for Muslims, but note that since by the time IIWW started Polish Muslim community was so small, it might have slipped most attention of most texts. I thoight I new quite a lot about IIWW in Poland, but I didn't even know there were still Muslims living in Poland by that time...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 04:12, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Subsections
Could anybody have a look at adding subsections in that humongous "history" section? Besides, considering it is the only section in the articles, is it really pertinent? shouldn't there be non-historic sections too,like the practiced rites, main sites, repartition within poland? Circeus 18:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] slave traders
- other Other Muslim merchants, often Slave traders, arrived to Polish lands at that time, as can be seen by a large number of Arab coins found in numerous archaeological sites throughout modern Poland[1].
Slave traders? that would be pretty weird since there was never any slave trade in Poland that anyone knows of. The reference provided does not mention that they were slave traders either. Removing. Deuar 15:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
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- You're mistaken. In the early middle ages, soon before the arrival of Christianity, the slave trade was one of the basic sources of income for the mighty. There is even a theory that Mieszko was in fact a mighty slave trader himself, not to mention the fact that Abraham ben Yakov (Ibrahim ibn Jakub) is currently commonly referred to as a slave trader (note that the number of Jews to arrive to our lands in those times tells something). Just check the web and you'll see for yourself. //Halibutt 22:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Halibutt, hmm - maybe. I've never found web resources to be particularly trustworthy for poorly documented ancient history - home made theories seem to overwhelm serious research. I'm thinking it initially sounds plausible that slave trade may have been around in pre-christian times, but there's suspicously little record of it that i've heard of. I would have thought it would be remarked in some German sources, and there would be some mention of it in at least some neighbouring countries to the south as well. Then again, i'm no historian. Sorry, I don't follow the final Jews argument.(?) Deuar 13:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- You're mistaken. In the early middle ages, soon before the arrival of Christianity, the slave trade was one of the basic sources of income for the mighty. There is even a theory that Mieszko was in fact a mighty slave trader himself, not to mention the fact that Abraham ben Yakov (Ibrahim ibn Jakub) is currently commonly referred to as a slave trader (note that the number of Jews to arrive to our lands in those times tells something). Just check the web and you'll see for yourself. //Halibutt 22:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
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- That's the problem with all of Poland's early history: historians are not even sure Mieszko was named that way... As to the Jews argument - at least in theory the Muslims could not take profit in slave trade and could not perform the castration of newly-acquired slaves themselves. Instead, the wealthy merchants of Al-Andalus sent their Jewish collaborators to do the job, which was ok in both economic and legal terms. Hence the first roughly reliable description of Mieszko's domain comes from.. a Jewish-Arab slave trader known as Ibrahim ibn Yaqub. //Halibutt 15:32, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- Interesting. Could be plausible. Still a bit weird if they were coming from Andalucia. How did they get slaves across all the christian countries along the way? If it's put in the article it should be clear that it is more or less enlightened speculation not hard facts.
- That's the problem with all of Poland's early history: historians are not even sure Mieszko was named that way... As to the Jews argument - at least in theory the Muslims could not take profit in slave trade and could not perform the castration of newly-acquired slaves themselves. Instead, the wealthy merchants of Al-Andalus sent their Jewish collaborators to do the job, which was ok in both economic and legal terms. Hence the first roughly reliable description of Mieszko's domain comes from.. a Jewish-Arab slave trader known as Ibrahim ibn Yaqub. //Halibutt 15:32, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
