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[edit] Mason on Islam
Why so many "quotes" on his feelings toward Islam? Whilst they are genuine, his political opinions hardly seem to be his most quotable quotes. The guy's a stand up comic. Politics is a side-hobby and I would have thought some humor was more appropriate than what appears to be fuel for argument.
Islam as murderous religion? The Jews killed so people (and used terrorisim) to create Israel. Islam is no more muderous than Judiamim. What Mason has basically said it's it ok for violence aginst Islam as long as there's nothing bad said about Judiasim. What a f**king hypocrite.
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Someone REALLY needs to fill this Talk: space out, you know? Come on!
Question: How to link to part about Rabbi Hyman Krustofski to the profile of Rabbi Krustofski on the list of recurring Simpsons characters
Rephrase that, would you? I'm a Simpson's wonk, and I'd be glad to help on that, but I'm a little unclear on Wiki terminology and practice. BarrettBrown 03:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Mason on Fox
Not sure if this should be linked in the entry or not (external links?), but he was interviewed on Fox recently regarding this whole drunken Mel Gibson fiasco. It's quite humorous, as expected (and spot on, IMO): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gct84oE5DEE gRegor 15:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The full contextual quote from the transcripts
OLBERMANN: Do you worry (INAUDIBLE), do you worry, lastly, though, about this as a perhaps if not an intentional expression, but some sort of microcosm of anti-Semitism in this country (INAUDIBLE)...
MASON: (INAUDIBLE), first, he don‘t believes there‘s much anti-Semitism (INAUDIBLE). Gentiles in this country, disagreed with Jews, dislike Jews, envied Jews, hated Jews, this is 50 years ago. But today, this is democratic country. There‘s very few people who dislike blacks, even though blacks keep claiming it‘s a racist society. It‘s a power trip to claim it‘s a racist society. This way, you don‘t have to compete successfully, when you can convince yourself that everybody‘s a racist, then you have no chance.
I love when Oprah Winfrey says, We live in a racist society. She‘s standing there with $40 billion. You got a dollar and a quarter. And she‘s hollering what a racist society is. She‘s a sick yenta.
This is entirely different from what is presented in the article. He is making a point that minority groups and individuals, jews (a la Gibson) and Blacks claim that racism is holding them down to excuse their own shortcomings. Calling someone a "sick yenta" is standard Mason fayre, and is a very mild insult.
This is not racism in any way, indeed the only news service (to use a broad definition) to even mantion it was a non-notable black issue online magazine called EURWeb [1]. They did not in any way suggest that his comments were racist. A society gossip columnist in the NYPost reported the comments [2] jokingly noting how bold they were and again not making any comment about racism. Indeed, going though the 20 or so mentions of "sick yenta" that come up on google not even a single blogger claims these comments are racist. T he only place that is suggested is in our article.
This is clearly someones POV. It cant stay in a wikipedia article. The whole incident recieved near zero media coverage - one gossip column and a non-notable website. juicifer 11:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Actually I wouldnt say that first one was out of context, it was an example he used. I think rather than racism it is his disgruntlement at being constnatly regarded as racist, I agree it is in the wrong section of the article. Any ideas where else it could go? --Errant Tmorton166(Talk)(Review me) 11:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
okay, maybe the oprah comment was taken out of context (although it's not really that important of a point). that's probably a fair point. but, the other statement is extremely racist. i can't believe that it was not picked up by more media outlets. there have been much less offensive statments that have resulted in people getting fired. i also can't believe that no one called olbermann on not responding.
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- Dude, I'm sorry that you are upset that it wasn't picked up by more media outlets. But this isn't somewhere where you can try to right that wrong (as you perceive it.) It wasn't picked up by any (notable) media outlets, and was discussed neutrally in a gossip column. The non-notable outlet that did discuss the issue did not (read the article again) suggest racism. Here is the article to save you time:
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- OPRAH CALLED A ‘SICK YENTA’: Old school comic Jackie Mason irritated by her cries of racism; plus, TV mogul to headline Bennett College fundraiser. *While news broke of yet another philanthropic endeavor involving Oprah Winfrey, comedian Jackie Mason was busy on MSNBC condemning the television mogul for stating in previous comments that racism still exists in America. Appearing Tuesday on the show “Countdown with Keith Olbermann,” Mason was asked to comment on Mel Gibson and his drunken, anti-Semitic rant during a traffic stop in Malibu. When asked about the current level of bigotry and racism against Jews, the Jewish comic responded: "Please, there's very little bigotry against Jews in this country anymore, or racism against blacks. Oprah Winfrey stands up and says, 'This is a racist society.' She's got billions. You got a dollar and a quarter, but it's a racist society. She's a sick yenta." (Yenta: Yiddish for a gossiping busybody in everybody’s business.) Mason also said he accepted Gibson’s second apology for the incident, which addressed anti-Semitism in particular. Meanwhile, Oprah and her “billions” will head to Greensboro, North Carolina this fall to headline a benefit gala for Bennett College in support of its "Revitalizing Bennett Campaign," Bennett President Johnnetta B. Cole announced this week. The gala is to take place on Friday, Oct. 20, at 7 p.m. at the Grandover Resort and Conference Center in Greensboro. The campaign has raised more than $30 million to support student scholarships, faculty recruitment and development and other projects, the college noted. Winfrey’s friend, Maya Angelou, is an honorary co-chair of the campaign. Tickets are $250, $500 and $1,000, and will go on sale Monday from 9 a.m. to noon in the Institutional Advancement Office on Bennett's campus.
I can't even find a blogger who suggests that this is racist, not that that would help. Putting the incident on the page under the title "Allegations of racism" when we in fact the only outlet to allege this and can't quote anyone who has done so, exposes wikipedia (and yourself) to libel litigation in the US and the UK. I am going to remove it urgently. Please do not put it back until you can source someone notable making this allegation.
Also IMHO this really isn't racist. He says "there is no racism in the US" oprah says "there is", he says she is a "sick yenta" for saying that and that "jews and blacks claim racism exists to make themselves feel better about beinf failures in life". What about that is racist? juicifer 23:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- ok points accepted, not going to argue :D - but please dont use bold so often (my eyes) italics is more accepeted. Also please do not cite Legal reasons as cotnetn removal - that is not really allowed by policy and is wording pretty much reserved for foundation officials only (ie the legal reps). --Errant Tmorton166(Talk)(Review me) 00:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- TM, unless you are citing a policy i've missed (please provide lk in that case), you've missed the point. You argument sounds like a misunderstanding of WP:NLT, which is aimed at users who threaten to sue other users. You have not even suggested, let alone given reason to believe, that juicifer is Mason (the only person who could claim to have been libeled by the disputed language) making a veiled that he will sue you, and without that, nLT is irrelevant to this matter.
--Jerzy•t 05:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- TM, unless you are citing a policy i've missed (please provide lk in that case), you've missed the point. You argument sounds like a misunderstanding of WP:NLT, which is aimed at users who threaten to sue other users. You have not even suggested, let alone given reason to believe, that juicifer is Mason (the only person who could claim to have been libeled by the disputed language) making a veiled that he will sue you, and without that, nLT is irrelevant to this matter.
[edit] Venue of the '60s suit
I removed
- in the New York State Supreme Court
- If it went to the highest court in the state, that is called the New York State Court of Appeals, and the language is inaccurate.
- If it was decided in a New York State Supreme Court, then it was decided in a county-level court of first instance, and the language is misleading without further explanation.
- Getting the facts straight (verification previously sought via {{fact}} tag) is a prerequisite for deciding how to state it, and whether that detail adds to the article or not.
--Jerzy•t 05:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
