Talk:Japanese gothic typeface
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[edit] Origin of word
I heard that Japanese name 'Gothic' is rooted to a word 'Alternative Gothic'. The word was used by Benton, I also heard. Kzhr 11:17, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Category:Typography
I really don't think that this page (about a typeface) should be in the "typography" category. "Typeface" is already a subcategory of "Typography" and "Shotai", the new category, is a subcategory of "Typeface". So, according to WP:CG, the category "typography" is wrong. Further, this article doesn't deal with typography to any great extent, it simply describes a typeface. --DannyWilde 08:21, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
- Contrary to what the article might say, Gothic is not a typeface, but a whole category of typefaces. It is exactly identical in meaning to the modern English term sans serif (similarly not a typeface, but a whole category of typefaces), which is under category "Typography"; italic type (originally referring to cursive type modelled after handwriting, akin to Japanese Kaisho = Chinese Kaishu), which typographically falls under the same category as "sans serif" (and therefore "Japanese Gothic typeface"), is also under category "Typography".
- Classing it solely under Shotai, IMHO, is also wrong because the term "Gothic" is not only used in Japanese typography, but also Korean typography. Putting it just in Shotai implies that this is solely Japanese-related, when it is not. (Perhaps the article ought to be renamed.)
- However, if current policy says an article should not belong simultaneously to a category and its parent category, I'll not re-add it, though in this case (at least) I think such policy is neither user-friendly nor consistent.—Gniw (Wing) 09:01, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Name of page and language categories
This page should probably be changed to reflect the Chinese and Korean contents. How about "CJK gothic typeface", or is there a better idea? DannyWilde 05:26, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
- I agree. -75.33.233.27 07:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fixed width
Someone edited the page to
- As with most CJK typefaces for computers, gothic typefaces are also usually fixed width.
I don't believe that Japanese gothic typefaces are usually fixed width. Evidence, please. DannyWilde 05:26, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
- OK, if you only reverted that part I have no problems. (I'll cross that before I can find the references.)
- But you reverted all my edits. I find it very incredible that you reverted my edit to read Kochi Gothic is useful to typeset Korean Hangul; this is ridiculous. You also reverted the Japanese name of Kochi Gothic. In any case, Kochi Gothic is not notable for being fixed width, whether I am right or not in claiming that they generally are.—Gniw (Wing) 05:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "MS PGothic" and "MS UI Gothic"
What is the difference between "MS PGothic" and "MS UI Gothic"? --84.61.62.65 13:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
- MS UI Gothic is more narrowly spaced than PGothic, and is used in the Windows user interface.--Ryoske 07:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] C in CJK
Since I cannot find the Graphicat (my original source that is at least 20 years old) in HK any more, I will be quoting instead from the English-Chinese Dictionary of Graphic Communications (ISBN 962-336-020-7):
- “Early gothics are better known as Black letters. Contemporary gothics are plain, sans serif type-face [sic] with lines of unvarying thickness. [My emphasis]” (p.138).
This confirms the usage of the word "Gothic" as a synonym of “sans-serif” as being tradional also in Chinese typesetting.–Gniw (Wing) 18:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merging into sans-serif
Considering Gothic is stated as another way of saying sans-serif, and like the Latin-based sans-serif fonts, use unified stroke width and designed to be readable at small font sizes, it will be a logical arrangement to catergorize it as sans-serif. Besides, the title 'Japanese gothic typeface' really isn't just about Japanese characters and fonts, and the main sans-serif article is short anyway. - Jacob Poon 18:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose merge. -- Petri Krohn 08:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
