Talk:Jeane Kirkpatrick
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Which spelling is correct -- the one in the title or the one in the text? Deb 21:25 May 3, 2003 (UTC)
Thanks, good catch: I've fixed the misspelling in the title. I believe the proper spelling is "Jeane", since that is what her organization (http://www.empoweramerica.org/) refers to her as. However, since the other spellings of "Jeanne", and "Jean" are extremely common (even in UN security council documents!), I've made redirects from both "Jean Kirkpatrick" and "Jeanne Kirkpatrick" to this page. mprudhom
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[edit] Membership in Religious Organizations
I've heard that she is a member of the Order of Malta, Knights Templar and Opus Dei. She also has ties to the reverend moon's cult. I don't really have time to research it right now but it might be interesting for someone to take it up TitaniumDreads 05:13, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
She was a member of the 4th Presbyterian Church in Bethesda, Maryland.
[edit] who cares
she is getting really old, neo-retired-marxist, plus museum
Jeane J. Kirkpatrick Senior Fellow
http://www.aei.org/scholars/filter.all,scholarID.32/scholar.asp
For what it's worth, politicians’ connections with Moon and his group are all purely financial, and get to facilitate contact with his unsavoury financial supporters in Japan.
[edit] Her son's ties to religious organizations
FWIW, her son (Stuart Kirkpatrick), is a spiritual teacher for a Vajrayana Buddhist group in Ann Arbor, Michigan, Flaming Jewel, http://www.flamingjewel.org/. An affiliated Vajrayana Buddhist group (Aro gTér ) gives a brief bio of him here (http://www.aroter.org/eng/images/nyingma/trx_portrait.htm) and links him to Jeanne Kirkpatrick.
I'm not sure if this is "encyclopedic" info or not, or if it's relevant enough to Jeanne Kirkpatrick, to appear here. Neo8675 18:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- One could always tuck it into a footnote.Mowens35 19:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What the US should support
Cut from intro:
- including authoritarian dictatorships.
Implies that all authoritarian governments are anti-communist - which is not something Kirkpatrick ever said, nor is it something Wikipedia ought to say.
But we need to address somehow the issue of her doctrine that it can be good to support authoritarian regimes, in certain cases. Did she say what the criteria are for that?
Also we need to address the objections given by advocates of Communism (or systems similar to it, or regimes leaning that way).
There's an un-ending debate over Communism - whether it's good or bad, or can be made good; whether systems based on it or similar to it can be made to work in a way that benefits all the people of a nation (not just the ruling class).
Ironically, Marxists say the best thing to do is to throw out the ruling class and put "the people" (proletariat) in charge (see dictatorship of the proletariat). Their opponents point to the example of the Soviet Union and its nomenclatura - just another situation where being in the ruling class gives you privileges while the masses suffer. Again, I say, the irony is that Marxists say they are trying to eliminate the class division wherein a ruling class gets the good things, while the rest of the people get much less. Uncle Ed 17:46, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- Not everyone who opposes fascism is a Communist. Just because people think it's wrong to support an Augusto Pinochet or a Suharto doesn't mean they think it's right to support a Fidel Castro or a Pham Van Dong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.134.233.115 (talk • contribs) 12:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What's missing
Nothing about totalitarianism in the article, even though I thought she was credited with creating the term - or at least championing it.
Also, her views on the UN seem to parallel those of Rev. Moon. A recent Moon speech at Lincoln Center says almost exactly the same thing about the selfish nationalism of UN member states. (I'll go dig that up next chance I get.) Uncle Ed 17:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
She's not credited with creating the term. I'm not sure who did - but I've read some works by Karl Popper where he uses the term. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.245.189.47 (talk • contribs).
[edit] her personal life
She dated Bill the Cat in the 1980's. Surely this is encyclopedic. — Coelacan | talk 22:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
She dated a fictional cartoon character? - Misterboston | talk 10:10, 08 December 2006 (EST)
[edit] date of death
Re the addition of her death date to the Biography section-- a friend of my family knows a member of the Kirkpatrick family, and reported Kirkpatrick's death earlier this afternoon. Ra3653s 21:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Neocon?
She is categorized as a neoconservative. Does this category belong on her page? Was she really a neocon? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.121.84.53 (talk) 18:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Affiliations (political, etc)
Would it be helpful, and make the article easier to read, if there was a section that could summarize her transit from young socialist to mature Republican conservative? It is an interesting cycle and one for which there is much information, ie quotes from her about that personal trajectory.Mowens35 19:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Career as U.N. Ambassador?
There's almost nothing here on her actions as Reagan's ambassador to the UN. She was in the papers a lot at the time. I hope we can work on establishing her track record. It certainly would be encyclopedic to discuss her impact in her most prominent position (had she not held this position, and been controversial at the time, she would almost certainly not have made major obit status in all the major news organizations now). Rousse 17:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Jeane Kirkpatrick, Burning in Hell?
Contrary to the eulogy offered by Michael Novak (December 8th, 2006 entry of the "On the Square" First Things blog at http://www.firstthings.com , now archived in their December 2006 blog archive.) I think that it is a highly defensible position that if there is an afterlife determined by a God whose justice can be recognized here on earth then Jeane Kirkpatrick is considerably more likely to be burning in Hell alongside Roberto D'Aubuisson -- whose neo-Nazi death squad government in El Salvador she defended and supported -- than holding conversations around the dinner table in Heaven, as Novak claims. Maybe one of Jeane Kirkpatrick's last judges will be Jean Donovan. 137.82.188.68 06:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
WOOH! Man, I hate her. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MC John (talk • contribs). 17 December 2006
