Talk:Jeffrey Lundgren
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There are, at a minimum, terminology issues. We need to be clear on Latter Day Saint versus Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints versus Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (now Community of Christ, and abbreviated RLDS and not any other way); also Kirtland (not Kirkland). The group's move to Kirtland and discovery of an original meetinghouse is not clear at all to me -- are we referring to the Kirtland Temple, or some other edifice? And be it noted that Joseph Smith did not start preaching there, but in upstate New York (the church being organized in the Peter Whitmer home IIRC). Some of these things I know how to fix and simply cannot address right now; with others, I can't make out what the authors are trying to say, so I don't know where to begin. The best place to start, most likely, would be a good research library. I'll try and get back to this sometime (don't hold your breath). eritain 21:43, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Allegedly??
Since Jeffrey and wife and some others were already found guilty and sentenced, why use the term "allegedly"? Are there still others who've yet to be tried? Anyhow, I'm just curious about the terminology, that's all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jlujan69 (talk • contribs) 3 March 2006.
If Jeffrey impregnated his girlfriend in 1969, and the baby was born in December 1970, that has to be the longest gestation period I've ever heard of.
The bodies were not found "one day later", they weren't found for 9 months, by which time the group had moved to WV and then Lundgren and his family to California. The police did come to the farm the day after the murders but they left without suspecting anything.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Braver (talk • contribs) 6 April 2006.
Not all of the accomplices received sentences of 100+ years. Three women got 7-25 year sentences by pleading to 5 counts of conspiracy. Check the State of Ohio Department of Corrections web site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by brokerbob51 (talk • contribs) 24 Aug 2006.
[edit] References needed
This article badly needs citations for the majority of the material presented. The article had no references at all until today, when I added five to AP's sentencing report of 8/2006. I corrected the sentencing error noted above, and I changed "no more than 12" (unsourced) to "less than 20" for the sect's size -- Lundgren killed five people, and 13 were arrested, so that's well over 12.
I also removed unsourced material (amid all the other unsourced material) about Lundgren turning down a 1981 priesthood offer from the RLDS because he felt the RLDS were too lenient towards women -- because the AP report stated he'd been discharged by the RLDS in 1987. It is possible both are true, somehow, but what I left was the AP info, uncontradicted. In time, the link to the AP report will go dead, at which point the reference will need to be altered to show it as a print resource rather than a webpage. -- Lisasmall 21:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Not dead yet, date of death added prematurely
His execution has been pulled back a week, so he is not dead and probably wont die on the 24th. Who ever wrote the date of death and rewrote the article as if he was dead should have at the very least have waited anyway until he was actually dead !! --84.153.48.209 17:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- AP Confirms his execution[1]DamianFinol 17:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Conflicting info
In the childhood section it says he left the RLDS when he reached adulthood, later it says he became a lay minister of RLDS and left in 1987 (well into adulthood). If course he strictly did leave when he was an adult, saying he left when he "attained adulthood" implies that he left as a young adult. Brentt 19:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ambiguous Lines
I quote (under 'The Murders'): "The Averys' 15-year-old daughter, Trina, was shot twice in the head. The first shot missed, but the second killed her instantly."
Was she actually shot twice in the head or did a shot miss and the second shot killed her? Or were in fact, three shots fired with one missing, one injuring and one killing? Or did a shot miss, the next shot kill and the next shot hit a corpse? You get what I mean anyway.... I don't know how to edit this because I don't know the facts. Might want to clear that up a bit though. FeedTheGoat 11:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] major mess up
While trying to add an updated image of Lundgren, I accidently deleted the image of him already in the article. I apologize. I'm still trying to figure out how to add the new picture.Jlujan69 23:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cult Box
The cult box needs to be indented to the right, I don't know how to do this. Probably an easy fix. John Reaves 20:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
