Talk:Jekyll Island
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[edit] Conspiracy?
I thought the Conspiracy section was, amazingly, too POV on both sides -- first it dismisses "conspiracy theories" and then starts talking about "stealing" the 1912 election... I tried to make it as NPOV as possible. Any source for the Forbes quote? How about the Wilson quote -- how do we know he was referring to the Fed? Also, all that stuff about JFK does not belong in this article -- maybe somewhere else, but not here. I tried to keep the section focused entirely on what happened at Jekyll Island and not the larger issue of the Federal Reserve, 1912 elections, etc., all of which can be found elsewhere. Afelton 15:42, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Well, Afelton and Bubba, I tried to explain both sides of the story. It's called being fair and balanced. I can appreciate you wanting to make it as NPOV as possible, but the 1912 election was directly affected by the events at Jekyll Island. It's historical fact. You say "altered." I say "stolen." The Forbes quote was found via a Google search. Wilson's "I have betrayed my country" quote came from a video I've got called "Masters of the Universe" video. Don't laugh! It's not the Dolph Lundgren He-Man movie. Download it. I can understand your point about the JFK assassination, but I have reason to believe that event happened because he was going to break up the Federal Reserve in addition to neutering the CIA and bringing troops home from Vietnam. Allow me to thank you for using the phrase "central banking," though. GeorgeC 06:16, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
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- I don't disagree that the events at Jekyll Island may have altered the 1912 election, but think that the word "stolen" is POV -- it has negative connotations and if your definition of stolen is that a small group of people had undue influence, then just about every election would fall under that description, I think. As for the Forbes quote--I think it is a good quote and probably authentic; I found a number of web sites with the same quote citing it as "CURRENT OPINION", December, 1916, p. 382. I don't know if this is perfect validation because they all have exactly the same quote and citation style, indicating that one site is the source of it, but maybe someone has access to Forbes archives... Also, I remain convinced that, even if one accepts the JFK assassination theory, it should not be in this article -- it is about the creation of the Fed... Afelton 17:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Afelton said: "I don't disagree that the events at Jekyll Island may have altered the 1912 election, but think that the word "stolen" is POV -- it has negative connotations..."
- It also had a negative impact on the nation. -GC
Afelton said: "and if your definition of stolen is that a small group of people had undue influence, then just about every election would fall under that description, I think."
- BINGO! We have a winner, folks! -GC
[edit] accuracy
Can someone check on the accuracy of the conspiracy section? The source of it is highly doubtful, and at one time it included the JFK assassination. Bubba73 (talk) 14:33, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
- Check out the reference I added to the Minn. Fed's web site -- doesn't talk about 1912 election or JFK, but the basic facts seem to be in agreement. May I take off the accuracy disputed tag? Afelton 17:16, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
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- OK, basic facts don't seem to be in dispute. I thing that the article originally said that the 1912 presidential election was "stolen", which is stretching it. Now it says that it "influenced" it, which is OK. The link to JFK is pretty far-fetched. The UFO tape is unlikely to be a good source of accurate information.
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- However, it seems to me that the bulk of the former "conspiricy" section should go under Federal Reserve instead of Jekyll Island, since it is about the Reserve, not Jekyll. The fact that the meeting did take place on Jekyll certainly should be here, but the rest of it is commentary on the Reserve. (The meeting could have been anywhere.) The article is about Jekyll, not the Reserve. Bubba73 (talk) 18:07, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
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- PS, about 2/3 of the article about Jekyll Island is about the Fed Reserve. I think that indicates that most of the section should go somewhere else, probably Federal Reserve. I think it should say who was at the meeting, when it took place, and that it was fundamental to the formation of the Fed, but the rest of the material should be elsewhere (with a link to it, of course). Bubba73 (talk) 18:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
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- I did post who was at the meeting: Nelson Aldrich, A.P. Andrews, Paul Warburg, etc. -GC
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- Hmmm... yes and no. I agree it is more properly about the Fed than about Jekyll Island per se. However, the history of the Fed is very long and it might make sense to have a sentence or two about it in History of Central Banking in the United States and more detail here (i.e., the status quo). I think we all agree that the JFK stuff is tangential and doesn't belong here. Feel free to edit parts you still think aren't factual; I just took a first stab at it. Afelton 19:04, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
