Talk:John Frusciante

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Contents 1 Rolling stone list 2 Vegetarian 3 Picture 4 New Mars Volta, with John... 5 POV 6 Musical Influences 7 Sources 8 John on Heroin 9 Frusciante Images 10 Proposals for this article 11 Sources for 'Ruffneck Blues' 12 Mention of "By the Way" 13 Proper infobox 14 The Past Recedes 15 John's cats 16 Trivia 17 Fixed 18 100 Greatest Guitarists 19 Too long. 20 Stuff 21 GA Status

[edit] Rolling stone list

The reference should be removed. It was a laughable list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.86.34.28 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 11 February 2007.

It most certainly was - Brookman —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.230.155.40 (talk • contribs) 03:48, 27 March 2007.

Then please find other sources for his greatness (instead of fan ramblings, of course).--HJensen, talk 05:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vegetarian

Why is there nothing on him being a vegetarian? It should at least be under trivia, and most devinately in the categories at the bottom.

Are you sure that he is an actual vegetarian? I remember in an interview a few months ago he was make steak on his George Foreman grill along with vegetables for the people coming over to interview him. It would not surprise me considering the way he lives now but it looks to be unwarranted unless he did in the last month.

I am 110% positive that he is a vegetarian. Maybe you misread the article, or maybe he was making steak for the interviewers?

[edit] Picture

The picture is kind of...whatever. I'm going to look for and add a new one. Comments? NSR77 20:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Mars Volta, with John...

Acording to the Mars Volta article, they are recording a new album with Fruscante. This should be confirmed, and, if proven true, added to this article.

[edit] POV

This article could do with a major rewrite to get rid of the excessive POV of some comments, currently some parts read like a fan writeup. Also a lot of reference to how John feels/felt, which makes it sound like a 3rd person account rather than a factual article. Djbrianuk 00:13, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Incidentally, in case I am missing something, this article currently omits the story of how Frusciante re-entered the Chili Peppers: it says that he left but not how (or that) he rejoined. Wasn't this because of the Village Voice (or something?). Anyway someone should add a few sentences. BScotland

"In July 2005, 13 unreleased songs leaked onto the internet. These songs are taken from the To Record Only Water era of Frusciante's solo career and are different, sometimes unmastered, versions of songs on the album." this is wrong, he released them as a free album "from the sounds inside", and its available on his website

No thats actually not wrong. There are 13 Tracks that were, exactally as he said, leaked from during the To Record Only Water period. "From the Sounds Inside" is the internet album you are referring to, which was all recorded more recently and is not related to the 13 tracks in question.

Possible revision: "In July 2005 13 unreleased songs leaked onto the intenet: six alternate versions of songs from Frusciante's To Record Only Water For Ten Days and seven previously unheard tracks recorded during that period."

I have to say, I agree with the POV statement - this article is filled with far, far too many POV sentences, and no citations. It's especially embarassing when almost every album seems to be "very well received" by fans or critics without any proof, there's hyperbole all over this. For instance, I could believe that "Niandra LaDes" might be his most popular solo album, but a statement like this doesn't belong here without some facts or sources. I'll start cleaning up as much as I can. --SevereTireDamage 09:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. While it is a very informative and well-structured article, it does have way too many POV statements. It could probably be remedied rather easily (but take time, of course)--HJ 09:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Musical Influences

Perhaps the article could have an extra part to list those that JF has credited as being influences on his sound?

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I just removed the sentence "He is officially the best guitarist ever." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rusty8 (talk • contribs) 08:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC).

Good call, a bit of unnecessary POV there. --SevereTireDamage 18:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Does anyone know an article or interview source for the "Yertle the Turtle on a mixtape" and "boot marks" quotes at the top of the RHCP section? Any help filling in the "citations needed" points would be appreciated. --SevereTireDamage 21:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

The "boot marks" comment comes straight from the RHCP "VH-1: Behind the Music" episode that I believe aired in conjunction with the release of "Californication".12.162.189.80 20:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John on Heroin

I deleted the statement that said John succumbed to heroin. Its not true until there is a valid source. If you can cite the information feel free to put it back up, whoever did. MyLovelyMan 17:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Good delete. That was a ridiculous unbacked statement to add. --SevereTireDamage 06:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure but i believe their are sources for that, at least in Kiedis's biography, ill go and look for it tomorrow or the next day —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.214.229.39 (talk) 05:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Frusciante Images

I wondered whether this image was finally considered ready or appropriate for inclusion in this article —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mellowship S (talk • contribs) July 23. [1]

I don't mind it being in the article, but it should probably go into the Stadium Arcadium or Future sections, since it's a recent photo. Also, it's tall and looks somewhat awkward at the top of the page with the infobox and the TOC. --SevereTireDamage 23:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok cheers and I agree with it looking awkward. I will insert it next to the stadium acradium section if thats ok. --Mellowship S

I think the new infobox picture should not be used since it gives you no idea of what John looks like. -MatthewCasey

[edit] Proposals for this article

This article is too large, and probably includes too much unencyclopedic information. I would very much like to hear input from other editors on some of these changes I would like to make:

• Condensing 2004 recordings into a single section by moving all of the individual album information onto their respective pages, and just keeping the general information.
• Excising the Gear section completely. While it just might barely be notable that Frusciante uses a large variety of instruments and equipment, it's unnecessary to have this much detailed information on every guitar and pedal he uses, not to mention almost all of it is completely uncited and unverified.
• Discography - splitting this off into a separate article, such as John Frusciante discography. The thumbnails add too much to the page as well, I recommend having a Selected discography section with a text table with years and labels noted. Guest appearances, The Sounds Inside, Greatest Hits records and EPs don't necessarily need to be included in the main article, and most are mentioned in the article already, anyway. --SevereTireDamage 00:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I support all three proposals.--HJ 13:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Gear and discography sections removed. The article has gone from 43k to 34k, and I haven't even started moving the 2004 sections yet. For future editors wondering what was in the Gear section, here is the diff[2].

I'd also perhaps like to eventually make John Frusciante discography into a more formal article like Queen discography and get it away from the hideous gallery code, but maybe at some point later. --SevereTireDamage 06:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I condensed 2004 recordings like you guys said. It could probably do with even more. St. Jimmy 22:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources for 'Ruffneck Blues'

'Ruffneck Blues by The CMA'; wtf?

Google just return me to here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cesarm (talk • contribs).

Wow. Turns out that was a one-off vandalism edit from way back in June and no one noticed it. Thanks for catching it. --SevereTireDamage 09:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mention of "By the Way"

As of today the article says:

"The band recorded By the Way in 2002, and it was generally well-received by critics and fans alike. It is generally considered their 2nd softest album to date, after Stadium Arcadium."

Isn't the whole thing speculative, POV and downright empty (not only the last sentence, but also the first)? If there is nothing to mention that sheds light on John's bio, then throw it out. I would favor deleting the section (from the discography one can already see that John played on "By the Way").--HJ 21:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Definitely. For now we can probably do with a brief mention with Californication. I was hoping someone would eventually expand this, since I don't know much about that specific album's release. The Wiki page for By the Way says that John had a much bigger influence on that album, though, to the point where Flea was aggravated (also among other factors) to leave the band. However, in the long run of John's career, BtW didn't have as much impact as Californication or Stadium Arcadium. --SevereTireDamage 23:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

There's no way that Stadium Arcadium is their softest album. It's By the Way by a long way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.110.84.14 (talk • contribs) August 15, 2006.

I would say this is irrelevant in any case. It constitutes POV and original research, so the deletion is warranted from that perspective as well.--HJ 12:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proper infobox

I added the project infobox which is current;y being adjusted to include more "guitar-technical" information and also a solo/guitar soundbyte. Anyone with any suggestions as to what snippet of music could be added to portray something special/unique about Frusciante's guitar style go ahead and post them here.(More than one can be added to the box) Anger22 10:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Past Recedes

Can someone add or mention The Past Recedes? I don't know from which album it was, but it was one of his more succesful singles. --Soetermans 21:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Both are from Curtains, and I see no reason for mentioning them.The Chicken 23:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

That part about Anne wasn't by me. --Soetermans 17:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John's cats

I've heard that he has two cats, Maya and Aztec...before adding it to trivia I would like to know if there's a source for this

Even if there is, that's completely irrelevant to an encyclopedia article. Please don't add it. --Ars Scriptor 16:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

That's why it's called trivia - because it's useless info. I think we should get rid of the trivia section and if it's relevent included in other sections of the article. St. Jimmy 21:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I would support that. Are you volunteering to do it? :) --Ars Scriptor 21:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

As I said below: none of it is really relevant. It doesn't add to the article. I read through it and it belongs on a fan site not wikipedia. St. Jimmy 20:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Probably the names of his cats aren't important for an encyclopedia article, but the fact that he owns cats says a bit about who he is. 74.104.1.193 03:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC) Jordan

Not really. St. Jimmy 13:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

• This should be incorprated into the article or deleted per WP:TRIV. John Reaves 03:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Incorporate as in place into existing text, not put section back in the way it was before. John Reaves 02:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

None of it is in any way relevant St. Jimmy 20:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

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Trivia

• John is the youngest member of the Chili Peppers, joining when he was 17.
• John doesn't play guitars that were made after the 1960s.
• John has reported in an interview that he heard about the Red Hot Chili Peppers when his teacher, who was a guitarist, informed him that he was going to try-out for a band named the Red Hot Chili Peppers. After seeing the video for "True Men Don't Kill Coyotes", John saw Flea playing and said that he couldn't be replaced, but after finding out about the death of Hillel Slovak, he then knew why they needed a guitarist. Though, his teacher didn't get the position, John tried out and got it.
• Previous girlfriends include Toni Oswald, actress Milla Jovovich and Stella Schnabel (his ex-fiancee, who was featured on the cover of By The Way). He is currently dating singer Emily Kokal.
• John is a huge fan of musician Frank Zappa and has said that his collection of Zappa records is one of his most prized possessions.
• Frusciante has stated that Bernard Sumner of Joy Division / New Order is one of his favorite guitarist of all time.^{[citation needed]}
• John is a huge fan of 'The Wellingtons'
• The first song John ever wrote was called "Fuck You to José" when John got into a childhood fight during a baseball game. According to him, this was also the last time he has played a sport.
• John is the godfather to Flea's daughter Sunny Bebop.
• John has said that the only television shows that he likes are Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Simpsons, The Office, Extras and Chappelle's Show.
• John practices Vipassana, a form of Buddhist meditation.
• Despite being shown driving a car in the Scar Tissue video, John doesn't drive in real life.
• In the anime Strawberry Marshmallow, Ana Coppola's pet dog Frusciante is named after him.
• Frusciante has a habit of carrying a guitar with him almost everywhere he goes, so much so that he is particularly easy to spot on the street.
• A book by Italian writer Enrico Brizzi is titled Jack Frusciante è uscito dal gruppo, (translated: Jack Frusciante has left his band) with a deliberate mistake on his name.
• John's father is a judge in the Juvenile Division in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Judge Frusciante has a gold record from his son hanging in his chambers.

[edit] Fixed

Some one vandalized it to say "GODOG" over and over I just reverted it.

Yesterday I removed the trivia section, which was either poorly written or vandalized (you know, the part about buckets being sexy and all that.)-- Geust.

[edit] 100 Greatest Guitarists

I removed the "highly controversial" part of the sentence in the intro. I don't know if it is controversial or not, but I do know that the statement wasn't sourced. Unless it's sourced, it becomes POV. Don't get me wrong; it's quite possible (probable, even, seeing the subject matter) that the list was controversial. It just needs a link to be in the wiki. ColbeagleTheEagle 22:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too long.

John Frusciante is as popular as they come, but in reality, this article is too long. This is an encyclopedia, not a biography. Paralleluniverse 23:47, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually it's an encyclopedia article and a biography. This article needs major copy editing as it isn't featured or even GA quality but as article size go, 36kb isn't all that long.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 19:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. But still. Too much information. This article would be better off with a general discussion of his personal life, a general discussion of his career and impact, and a general list his solo work, his work with the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and his major collaboration and participation with other artists. The article has an overblown feel to it, unfortunately. Paralleluniverse 21:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stuff

The stuff documentary is available online, so maybe "unreleased" is not such a good word? A google search for 'documentary stuff "john frusciante"' brings up a Tripod site and a YouTube link where you can watch the vids.--162.83.157.24 19:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Status

This article certainly has the possibility of acquiring GA status. What do some people think we could do to make it possible? NSR77 00:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)