Talk:Karate/Mediation
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[edit] Initial details
- Taken from Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Karate, with modifications.
[edit] Involved parties
- Also known as simply "parties" from now on.
- RogueNinja (talk • message • contribs • count • logs • email)
- Melonbarmonster (talk • message • contribs • count • logs • email)
- Endroit (talk • message • contribs • count • logs • email)
[edit] Articles involved
[edit] Issues
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- Is the history of the Japanese Occupation of Korea pertinent to the article on Karate, rather than the article on the occupation?
- If so, is the text inserted by Melonbarmonster (talk • contribs) the appropriate way to mention it?
[edit] Housekeeping tasks
A few things before I can begin.
[edit] Consent to Daniel.Bryant being the mediator
Just to be sure that things don't fall off the rails later due to someone raising an objection to me being the mediator, either due to a prior conflict or whateverelse, can the parties listed please just note "Agree" or "Disagree" below.
Declining my mediation does not mean that your mediation request will be rejected. Most likely, another mediator from the Mediation Committee will be along within a week and things will be taken from there. Cheers, Daniel Bryant 04:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Agree melonbarmonster 21:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Agree. Endroit 22:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Agree rogueninja 12:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, that's good. Now I can make a start. Daniel Bryant 12:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Initial Statements
(Blatantly copied from a fellow mediator) I would like to hear both parties' views without complicated discussion in the first instance. To that end, I'd like you both to put a statement below, under your named section. Please don't engage in a detailed rebuttal of the other editor's points for now. I want to get an overview of the situation first.
When we have got to this place, we can then decide exactly what issues are under contest. From there we will hopefully be able to find a solution you can all be happy with.
Basically, a short (couple of paragraphs, maximum) summary of what your opinion is on the inclusion/exclusion of the content under mediation, why you have this viewpoint, and if applicable, what policies and guidelines you believe are relevant. Once this is established, then we can start to work on a comprimise version.
I'm sorry that this may seem complex and drawn-out, but the first 3-4 days are always the worst. After that, it shouldn't take long (only another week, I'm guessing, at maxium) to reach a resolution.
Cheers, Daniel Bryant 12:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] RogueNinja
My argument is that the state of the Japanese occupation of Korea is both PoV, and irrelevant to the article. I would have no qualms about simple having a link at the top saying something along the lines of "For more information on the Japanese Occupation of Korea, please see Korea under Japanese rule." The article is about karate, and the occupation of korea is tangential at best. The effect of Karate on TKD should be the point of that section, and it does not really matter weather the Japanese occupation was characterized by. The section needs rewriting to be more karate centric. Other material should go into the appropriate articles. I believe that per WP:Consensus, WP:NPOV, WP:What Wikipedia is not (in particular, not an indiscriminate collection of information), that the inclusion of information pertinent only to non-Karate subjects is something that should not be done. I also believe that Killing time on wiki. is pushing a Korean PoV across several wiki articles. He believes that he is neutral, thus this mediation.
[edit] Melonbarmonster
[edit] Endroit
Our discussion in Talk:Karate centered around this edit by Melonbarmonster, and his unilateral revert-warring. Most people there agreed that Melonbarmonster's use of the word "brutal" is either too strong or is an WP:NPOV violation. In addition, his source uses controversial terminology such as cultural genocide, which I believe may also be a WP:NPOV violation.
All we need to do in the Karate article is to simply mention Korea under Japanese rule with a wikilink, so that interested people will jump to that article. Words such as "brutal" and "cultural genocide" aren't even mentioned in Korea under Japanese rule, and shouldn't belong in any related article anyways. Melonbarmonster shouldn't go around inserting phrases and sources which violate our WP:NPOV policy.--Endroit 20:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
