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[edit] The Dave Touretzky and Karin Spaink connection

I learned that he promotes her and she promotes suicides on a Usenet newsgroup called alt.suicide.holiday which has 14 confirmed deaths. The governments of the UK and Australia declared war against suicide promotion. http://www.prestontoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=1789&ArticleID=909113 http://www.prestontoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=1789&ArticleID=917087 http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education/browse_thread/thread/82ec9b2013a3ec5b/7c6ffb3b5be5885f?lnk=st&q=Dave+Touretzky%2BKarin+Spaink&rnum=1&hl=en#7c6ffb3b5be5885f http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/26dfe79325ffed6c/53cf3c28c79b1f81?lnk=st&q=Dave+Touretzky%2BKarin+Spaink&rnum=1&hl=en#53cf3c28c79b1f81

I'm sorry, but I fail to see your point. Yes, some countries oppose web sites on suicide, but The Netherlands, where I live, do not. - Karin Spaink 22:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quote in ruling

Can somebody, please provide a reference for the statement in the article that the court ruled that scientology was a threat to democracy? This seems implausible to me, given the fact that scientology has few adherents and credibility in the Netherlands. How can they possibly be a threat to democracy? Thanks in advance. Andries 11:04, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

I removed the reference that scientology is a threat to democracy according to the Dutch court. I couldn't find it in the Dutch and English versions of the court rulings on her homepags. Besides the statement seems implausible to me. Andries 11:18, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

That quote is in the September 4, 1999 ruling of the Court of Appeal. The court ruled:

"Uit de hiervoor onder 8.3 vermelde teksten blijkt dat Scientology c.s. met hun leer en organisatie de verwerping van democratische waarden niet schuwen. Uit die teksten volgt tevens dat met de geheimhouding van OT II en OT III mede wordt beoogd macht uit te oefenen over leden van de Scientology-organisatie en discussie over de leer en praktijken van de Scientology-organisatie te verhinderen." (See http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=AI5638 ) Translated: "The texts prevously quoted show that in its teachings and its structure, Scientology c.s. do not shun the rejection of democratic values. From these texts it is also apparent that one of the objectives of keeping OT II and OT III secret, is to wield power over members of the Scinetology organisation and to prevent discussion about the teachings and practices of the >Scientology organistation." -- added by Karin Spaink, March 6, 2005.

Added back to page with full reference - David Gerard 10:16, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)