Talk:Kimberly Dozier

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Contents 1 injury 2 Use of word "ironically" 3 Ethnicity 4 Time-sensitive Text

[edit] injury

I added the cleanup for the section pertaining to her injury. Right now sentences are missing words and the paragraph overall is a bit clunky.

[edit] Use of word "ironically"

Although Wikipedia often frowns on the overuse of qualifiers such as "ironically" in articles, I think in this case it is correct and accurate to use this word, since there is irony in the fact that a reporter who was interviewed by USA Today on the safety of journalists in Iraq (she's even the subject of the article's illustration) would be injured while covering the story. 23skidoo 15:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

• "Ironically" is often used to denote "funny", and there is nothing funny about this (except maybe to the bombers). Maybe a better way to say it would be "in a tragic coincidence" or some such. Wahkeenah 15:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• "Ironically" is not synonymous with "funny." It does not DENOTE humor. (It may CONNOTE humor to some persons.) Those of us who know the denotative meaning of "ironic," "irony" or "ironically" do not believe the use of those words should be avoided because others are ignorant of their proper definitions. User:71.132.221.2 19:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Maybe not "tragic" as that's POV. But I can live with "coincidentally". I quite often see the term "ironically" used in a non-funny context, though I guess with comedy these days so often based on irony, I guess it's just a case of other parties changing the English language. In any event, I made the change. 23skidoo 23:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't think "tragic" is POV unless you're rooting for the bombers. "Coincidentally" doesn't seem quite enough, but I reckon it will do. In any case, English speakers often adopt the Humpty Dumpty approach to their language. Wahkeenah 23:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• "Ironically" does not DENOTE "funny." It may CONNOTE humor to some persons. Those of us who know the denotative meanings of "ironic," "irony" or "ironically" do not believe the use of those words should be avoided because others are ignorant of their proper definitions. User:71.132.221.2 20:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I'll take Webster's viewpoint over the a-none viewpoint any day. Wahkeenah 20:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  • If Noah Webster were alive, he probably would not concur -- nor would Samuel Johnson.

Refer to these definitions:

 http://www.webster.com/dictionary/ironically
 http://columbia.thefreedictionary.com/ironically

None of these entries cite humorously as the primary definition of ironically. Feel free to consult a dictionary for definitions of DENOTE and CONNOTE.

[edit] Ethnicity

I'm not certain of the Wikipedia conventions of assigning ethnicity categories to biographical articles. This editorial written by Dan Rather [1] states that Kimberly Dozier lived in Egypt for a couple years as a girl with her diplomat parents. The category I added was not meant to be malicious.. does anyone know what her ethnicity is? - GilliamJF 16:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

• I was just funnin' ya. She was born in Honolulu and has what sounds like a German or maybe French name. I'm not aware of any evidence that she has any Egyptian blood in her. Being on assignment in Cairo wouldn't qualify her as Egyptian. Wahkeenah 16:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Not sure about being French or German. Looks like an English name to me! Depends how it's pronounced of course. -- Necrothesp 22:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Any relation to: "James L. Dozier is a US Army Brigadier General, who was kidnapped by the leftist Italian "Red Brigade" terrorist group in December of 1981?" User:24.248.17.210 17:37, 30 May 2006 24.248.17.210 (UTC)

• Feel free to research your question and present the results here. Wahkeenah 17:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time-sensitive Text

What are the thoughts on all the time-sensitive commentary in the article? A good deal of what's being documented seems like it needs to be generalized as it appears right now to be more appropriate for Wikinews than for Wikipedia.--208.41.98.142 19:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I think those should stay until and unless it's no longer a news event. That's kind of what the {{current}} tag is for. --Nlu (talk) 20:23, 1 June 2006 (UTC)