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Talk:Kingdom of Italy (1861-1946)

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[edit] Requested move

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 08:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


Kingdom of Italy (Savoy)Kingdom of Italy — The Kingdom of Italy page was formerly a disambiguation page, which is now located at Kingdom of Italy (disambiguation). The Kingdom of Italy existed 1861 to 1946 and other entities sometimes referred to by the same or similar name already have separately named articles. —Domino theory 09:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC) copied from WP:RM Bobblehead 02:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

[edit] Survey - in support of the move

  1. Support This was the correct name of the Kingdom. --Checco 13:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
    What was the correct name of the Napoleonic kingdom? That’s a genuine question, to which I don’t know the answer;) —Ian Spackman 16:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey - in opposition to the move

  1. Oppose. Seems a bit disingenuous for the person that moved the disambiguation page without discussion to suggest that the other articles related to a Kingdom of Italy being located at names in order to disambiguate themselves from each other is justification to move this article to Kingdom of Italy. Not only do I oppose the move of this article to Kingdom of Italy. I support the move of Kingdom of Italy (disambiguation) back to Kingdom of Italy. --Bobblehead 02:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
  2. Oppose and agree with Bobblehead; title changes affecting multiple articles should be discussed first. Olessi 18:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  3. Mildly oppose: see comments below under Discussion. —Ian Spackman 16:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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I don’t like the current name at all: it requires readers to know too much. (Many readers will have heard of the place Savoy, without knowing about the family.) The Italian equivalent it:Regno d'Italia (1861-1946) is better. But I think that it doesn’t make sense to do anything to this page—or to the disambiguation page—in isolation. A naming scheme needs to be worked out at the same time as deciding what to do with the King of Italy article. They should really cover the same field. Where there were kings there were kingdoms. (Mostly. Maybe always: I’m no expert!) And I don’t quite see how you can write a King of Italy article which starts with unification. What about that iron crown thingie? And if that’s right, I don’t think I can support the proposed move. —Ian Spackman 16:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Could someone help me out on writing this page?

I'm new on Wikipedia and I started this page. It is currently rated at "Stub" level, could others help improve the quality of the document. I started it because there was no direct article on the Kingdom of Italy of the House of Savoy which was a major European power in the early to mid twentieth century. I have been trying as best as I can with available information on Wikipedia to improve the quality of this article, and I thank those who have contributed to this page. But I think this document should be improved by others who believe it is not done well.

Also it doesn't really matter whether the title of the whole document is renamed "Kingdom of Italy" from what it is now "Kingdom of Italy (Savoy)". The Savoy Kingdom is the most well known and most legitimate to claim the title Kingdom of Italy as an article because the other major Italian kingdoms were the Lombard Kingdom, which only comprised northern Italy and the Napoleon-run state which also only was composed of the north. (See Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic)). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by R-41 (talkcontribs) 16:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

I don’t agree with everything you wrote—specifically, I am not quite happy about Garibaldi being described as left-wing in the context of the risorgimento: if indeed it was you that wrote that caption. (By that I don’t mean to denigrate him. A hero and an attractive figure. But I think I understand why various Mazzinians insisted on leaving the thousand in Tuscany rather than having to fight under a royal flag.) But since noone has said it so far, I will: Great work! Thanks! —Ian Spackman 17:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Well again, I'm new to Wikipedia and I actually am pretty fresh at this topic so I'm bound to make mistakes. I'm writing this article because of my interest in how fascism came to power in Italy and the fact that one of my grandfathers and his relatives came from Susa, Italy to Canada around 1910. Upon looking up Kingdom of Italy I found no clear site that mentioned the Savoy Kingdom, which was extremely dissappointing, so I started one. So far I have been reading a recent book published in 1997 about the Kingdom of Italy, its description of Garibaldi as compared to other Italian politicians like Cavour and King Emmanuel. I appreciate you correcting me on that and I will remove the term "left-wing revolutionary" to describe Garibaldi and change it to simply "revolutionary. Judging by the knowledge you have and that you are the first people to comment to my address for help, I assume that you might be the one who is adding more details also, that is good, but I am finding it increasing difficult to read some long titles that are not relevant to the article, such as having the long, official form of the name of the British Empire, which has been changed in the article to say the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland". I don't think that this is necessary, if you are trying to put a link to the British Empire that existed before the breakaway of Ireland, you can still have the link, but put the in short-form "British Empire" into the link so that the sentences don't become too long with information not directly related to the topic. If it's not you who is doing that I just hope the person who did extend some of the titles reads the information above. Otherwise I am glad that you are helping me get my facts straight and I would really like it if you and other people could add more information especially on the long "Liberal Period" section which would working alone take me a long time to get done. I really hope this article get get up from being a stub to being recognized as being a good article, anyone who can help do this deserves my deepest gratidude. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.95.131.26 (talk) 04:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

I forgot to sign in when putting the above comment in. I've been having trouble with finding out how to link my user name to the discussion board.

Relax! You are doing well. Cheers —Ian Spackman 14:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Could someone add some information about Prime Minister Giovanni Giolotti. I've put a lot of information down already but I'm busy trying to shorten what's already in the there and make it concise, if someone could fill in the gap about Giolotti that would be a real help.

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