Talk:Kingdom of Romania

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[edit] Problems

1) This article named "Kingdom of Romania" (that actually was during 1881-1947) doesn't have any kind of definition. Maybe, in intention it has to be a history of the modern capitalist Romanian state. Therefore the title is incorrect. Anyway, there were different types of regimes (i.e. Constitutions) in this period.

• 1821-1866 The National Awekening
• 1866-1918 The Old Kingdom
• 1918-1938 The (democratic regime of) Great Romania
• 1938-1944 The dictatorial regimes
• 1944-1947 The instauration of Communism

2) The article itself has a lot of errors and omissions. --Vasile 01:13, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Omissions, certainly. Errors? Perhaps: could you be more specific?

National awakening of Romania has an article of its own. It's true that the time periods discussed in the articles overlap slightly, but that's typical for sequential historical articles. Simalarly, this is followed by Romania during World War II. These have even more overlap, with much of the back-history of the dictatorial era being covered there. It is possible that it would be better titled "Romania: the dictatorial regimes and World War II era", but that is awfully long. So this article basically covers:

• 1866-1918 The Old Kingdom (in the section "Unification and monarchy")
• 1918-1938 The (democratic regime of) Great Romania (in the section "The interbellum years")

However, Great Romania was still a monarchy, and I don't think there is anything inappropriate about including it under the heading "Kingdom of Romania". -- Jmabel 15:47, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

I know there is a National awakening of Romania article, and the modern Romanian state was founded in that period. If this Kingdom of Romania article is supposed to be a history of Hohenzolern monarchy, then the timeline should be 1866-1947. If the subject is the state, then the article should consider that the official name remains the same, but there are few differents regimes. What about the period 1944-1947? Indeed the Communists controlled the country, but Romania was still a monarchy. --Vasile 16:25, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You are right: the period covered by Romania during World War II is still within the monarchical era, so the title (at least) of this article isn't ideal. I have no objection to breaking it in two (Old Kingdom and Great Romania). That's pretty much the breakdown of the existing sections, anyway. If we do this here we'd probably want to make parallel changes to the corresponding Romanian-language article. -- Jmabel 18:37, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Material needing integration

Vasile recently cut the bulk of Romania during World War II, saying "pre war at pre war article". I don't necessarily agree—I think it is very hard to get any comprehension of Romania during World War II unless one looks at most of the reign of Carol II—but I won't argue. I've moved the material to Kingdom of Romania and added a {{cleanup}} tag here; the material needs to be integrated. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

"The full cumulative fury of nearly a century of Romanian antisemitism" asserts the final report, c.1, p.53 [1]

I still think the current article "Kingdom of Romania" is totally messed. There was a "little" Romania and a "greater" Romania. --Vasile 17:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Do I understand that you are saying to split it at 1918? I'd have no problem with that, as long as you want to do the legwork, including looking at all the "what links here" stuff & fixing it accordingly. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:50, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I presume that "kingdom of Romania" was intended to be the "capitalist" history of Romania. As it is now, it includes three different constitutional regimes (1859-1918, 1919-1938;1944-1947, and 1938-1944). There are very large periods of time in modern history. I don't suggest a split of the article, but a frame of the article. Maybe somebody would suggest a better title. --Vasile 13:49, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images and Text Overlap

Some of the images overlap with the text in Firefox. Perhaps someone knows how to fix this? Thanks. Typos 23:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Try resizing the window. Dmaftei 00:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I find these new (December 2006) multiple infoboxes rather unsightly. They are particularly hard on anyone with a low-resolution screen. - Jmabel | Talk 02:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)