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Contents 1 Misc 2 Table 3 Owner/operator 4 Airlines 5 Air Niugini 6 Image 7 3rd runway controversy 8 Old tower? New tower?

[edit] Misc

Question: Is the airport's name Kingsford Smith Airport? Is "international" not part of the name. U.S. airports tend to use the term "international" in their names. TL500 23:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Curious: What's Sydney Airport's third terminal? There's the international, domestic...Virgin used to have a seperate one but now Ansett's gone they're in the Domestic?

Is there a terminal I don't know about or is this just old info?

thx Dysprosia 07:48 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

T1: International

T2: Domestic (Virgin Blue, Regional Express, Aeropelican, Horizon, Air Link and QF Flights QF1600 and above)

T3: Qantas

http://www.sydneyairport.com.au -- Tim Starling 08:12 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Ohhhh right! I remember now. Sorry :)

Dysprosia 08:15 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Don't really like this for a bunch of reasons. The 'T1', 'T2', and 'T3' designations are new, brought about by new owners. The terminals are 'International', 'Qantas' and 'Ansett' (regardless of who actually occupies the terminal nowadays). The 'T' things are figments of some marketeers imagination - presumably someone who wants Sydney to be like Heathrow, Kimpo or Seoul when it grows up???

Second, 'Most locals refer to it as Mascot' is a gross overstatement. 'Many' might be a slighty more tolerable exagerration. GeoffB 04/Oct/2004

I see that this mention has gone. Pity, since when I first came to Sydney and heard so many people talking about 'flying out of Mascot', etc, I assumed that they were talking about another, local airport, not the very same one that I'd just arrived at! Only later did I realise the truth. Therefore it is pretty common, and obviously many folk expect you to know what they're talking about, so the article should mention this, even if only to supply that little nugget of information to travellers who, like me, may otherwise be in the dark as to what these people are on about! Graham 01:12, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

'Even once the "parallel runway" (as it is universally known to Sydneysiders)...'

I (as a Sydneysider) and everyone I know call it the "third runway". Zak, 03 November 2006

[edit] Table

I've inserted a table that the WikiProject Airports is trying to make standard, and one that I'm trying to add to all Australian airports. I've tried to complete all the facts, and I have but for who operates the airport and who owns it. I'm not sure. If somebody does know, could they please change the information as appropriate. Also, there was no image in article for me to include in the table. Most other airport articles have photo's. Perhaps somebody could source and upload one for use.--Cyberjunkie 07:15, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Owner/operator

I notice the infobox currently lists the owner as the Australian Government, with SACL as the operator. Is anyone able to confirm that this is actually the case, and if so how the arrangement works?

Regards, --Daveb 06:12, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

The Australian Government doesn't own Sydney Airport now. This page on the airport's website provides all the ownership information, but I'm not sure how it should be entered into the infobox.

-QFlyer 10:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for finding that, I'll list the ultimate parent company as owner. When I created it, I could only find information on which companies had a stake. As an aside, part of the reason I listed the Australian Government as owner is because, AFAIK, it is the ultimate owner as Sydney Airport was only leased (albeit for 100 years, I think).--Cyberjunkie | Talk 11:21, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Airlines

The list of airlines that serve Sydney Airport includes airlines such as American, Air France and KLM, which only serve Sydney through codeshare services and not with their own aircraft. I'm not sure if these airlines belong in the list. If they will stay there, maybe it should be noted that they only serve Sydney via codeshare.

-QFlyer 11:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree. They should not be listed. Could you remove those that operate through code share?--Cyberjunkie | Talk 11:23, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, all the codeshare airlines are removed. I have another question though: Should intermediate destinations be listed next to each airline? For instance, Air Canada flies Sydney-Honolulu-Vancouver. Should Honolulu be noted as an Air Canada destination out of Sydney?

-QFlyer 10:16, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think the destinations should be listed at all. They were only recently added. If they are kept, a better way of presenting them needs to be found. Perhaps a table? It could have columns for "Airline" - "Airline code" (or some such) - "Destinations" (including intermediates) - and whatever else seems appropriate.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 10:55, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Air Niugini

Does Air Niguini even operate scheduled flights to Sydney anymore? I haven't seen a scheduled arrival into Sydney for at least 3 months! --Pavlova 16:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Air Niugini flies POM-BNE-SYD (PX 5) every Sunday and Friday, and departs the next morning (PX 6). Qantas codeshares on those flights as QF 352 and 351 respectively. Elektrik Blue 82 20:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I just did a search at the Sydney airport daily schedule and, yes there was a Qantas to Port Moresby, however no Air Niguini sign was linked with it. This led me to the Qantas site and I did a pretend booking. Air Niuguini flies to Cairns and Brisbane but not to Sydney anymore. It codeshares with Qantas down to Sydney with all flights from Brisbane and Cairns being Qantas's --Pavlova 11:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Check the Air Niugini website. There is an announcement that the Boeing 767 is under scheduled maintenance and therefore the flight is being flown by a Qantas aircraft. This doesn't mean however that the route was terminated by PX. Elektrik Blue 82 13:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Right you are--Pavlova 14:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC), just did another pretend booking for December and it was Air Niguini

They no longer fly to Sydney! They have no scheduled flights, it no longer shows up as a PX flight from Sydney to Port Moresby, rather Qantas to Brisbane, then PX to Port Moresby. Even with the completion of the B767 maintenence they do not show up as a scheduled flight at Sydney Airport either.

I checked the website of the airport, and only QF 351/352 is listed there. But the destination is Port Moresby. On the other hand, I checked Air Nuigini's schedule, found here, and it still says that all flights to Sydney and Brisbane are operated by Air Niugini. Elektrik Blue 82 17:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh well it seems to be ambiguous to say the leastPavlova 10:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I occasionally see Air Niugini aircraft at the international terminal. Zak, 03 November 2006

[edit] Image

I have uploaded an image, Image:Sydney_Airport_(2004)_By_Air.jpg, but am unsure how to place it in the info box. Someone with a bit more Wiki knowledge should do it. Mathieumcguire 00:18, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Done. Graham 01:17, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 3rd runway controversy

For a recent(ish) event that was intimately linked with Sydney Airport, and occupied the attention of many thousands of people for years, and was a sigificant issue at successive federal elections, it's odd that this hasn't, until now, rated a mention in the History.

I've thrown in a mere stub to remind others much better informed than I to flesh this out.

Suggest putting it in a separate section under history maybe? --Arnzy (talk · contribs) 09:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old tower? New tower?

There's a nice image of the "old" control tower and the TCU. Is the tower still used for anything? What about the TCU, is it still in this building or has it moved? Where is the old tower located within the airport -- does it appear on the aerial photo? Maury 22:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, the TCU is still located in the old tower complex (in fact, it is the fourth control tower - the current one is number five). I don't believe the tower itself is used for anything these days. Unfortunately it is located just to the right of the frame of the overview photo. It can be seen fairly well in this picture - it is on the right hand side, directly beyond the international terminal. As an aside, the structure of the third tower can be seen in this photo too - it is the square brick structure just beyond the Virgin Blue aircraft on the apron at Terminal 2. It has now been demolished as part of the works to prepare the taxyways at Sydney for the Airbus A380. The second control tower can be seen in this picture - it is the building with the Qantas sign on top of it. Nick Moss 07:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm a bit curious though, is the first tower still around? I see why the got rid of the second "tower" (uhh, second floor, shurely!), and the third. I also see things that look like towers to the left of the main tower and beyond it. What are these?