Talk:Kirksville, Missouri

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Why is my name constantly being deleted from this Web Service? Also to one "Mrs." David Oaks I can bench your house, you'd best back down. I would surmise that you don't even live here. And who calls Kirksville "The 'Ville"???!!!!? Good day to you, ma'am. ~~Mike Bartig~~

When I was a kid, living in Kirksville, we always called it the Kirksville State Teachers' College. jaknouse 20:39, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

This article seems to be cut and pasted from Kirksville. As a result the page history of the article and talk page is split among these pages. This needs to be fixed per Wikipedia:Candidates for speedy deletion#Technical reasons number "2". Paedia | talk 13:47, 2004 Apr 15 (UTC)

I just tried to revert everything to do a proper move, but Wikipedia won't let me because of the page history! Aargh. I apologize for not doing the move correctly in the first place. jaknouse 15:54, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Only Wikipedia:Administrators may fix cut and paste moves. Paedia | talk 16:17, 2004 Apr 15 (UTC)

I moved to Kirksville when I was 8. I went to Washington School, the Upper Elementary, Olphelia Parish Junior High (the last year it was used) and graduated from Kirksville Senior High. I did 2 years at NMSU and then finished my degree at the University of Missouri. One thing that is unique (I think) to Kirksville is the slur "cricker." It's somewhat analogous to white trash. I've never met anyone who wasn't from Kirksville who was knew the term.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.176.184.138 (talk • contribs) 18:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

It's awesome you're from the 'Ville, but what does this have to do with the article? --KHill-LTown 02:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I guess I included it because I did not know how to include that bit of local etymological information in the main article and will let more experienced Wikipedians decide whether or not and how to include it. 67.176.184.138 18:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

"Cricker" is a distinctive local term. Short for "sh*tcricker," reference to the open sewer that ran along the western edge of the old town -- not surprisingly, the poor district, as well as the black part of town, when Kirksville had a significant black population. There's history regarding that as well, but I'll wait to hear if anyone thinks it should be posted.01:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Ahh. Well, being in Kirksville right now and with family in the region, I've honestly not heard the term in common parlance. Then again, I'm immersed in the University community, and the rift between the University and community is a whole another can of worms, especially with the mission change's 20th anniversary (and 10th anniversary of the name change) this year. Many of us on Wikipedia will consider whether to add it or not.
Thanks for bringing it up. As always, your contributions are welcome, and you're more than welcome to create a username! --KHill-LTown 18:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I restored Carolyn Roehm to the notable people section. The reason given for deletion was that the deleter had never heard of her, and therefore nobody on Wikipedia should, either. Whether one particular individual already knows a thing is not a good yardstick for whether the thing is worth knowing. A quick Google suggests she's not invisible. DavidOaks 16:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

So noted, but make sure there's an actual article attached to it. Wikipedia is not a listing of random people, and though I am in no capacity the sole arbiter of who's who in this town, I've yet to see any proof of Ms. Roehm's significance. Else, I might as well list ever furniture dealer and spotlight operator in town. --KHill-LTown 17:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

FOUNDING OF KIRKSVILLE I am providing you here a more accurate history of the Founding of Kirksville. Unfortunately people tend to rely on Violette’s History, which is not always accurate. Violette, himself, committed wholesale plagiarism in his history from earlier sources, the most notable being the 1888 Illustrated History of Adair, Sullivan, Putnam, and Schuyler Counties, Missouri. You may use this information to update your article advantageously:

The Treaty of August 4, 1824, made at Washington City, ratified 1826, ceded title to all lands in Missouri held by the Sacs, Foxes, and Iowas. In 1829 Chief Che-Quesa (Big Neck) led 60 to 70 warriors back into the Chariton Valley and killed some hogs belong to the settlers. Isaac Gross, John Cain, and Jim Meyers visited Che-Quesa and protested both the killing and their presence. Upon being informed that the Chief and his warriors intended to stay they traveled south to the house of William Blackwell, in Randolph County, where a troop was raised and they went to evict the Indians. Routed the settlers fled south down the Chariton towards the Randolph County Settlements. Another Company under Capt. John Sconce was raised and upon return to the battlefield found that the Indians had retreated. The early pioneers of the county settled upon the lands of George and Philip Cain and King Collet located six miles west of where Kirksville is now located. At this time the nearest settlement was located in Macon County to the south and held by James Loe. Early in 1829 saw the arrival of the Clifton, Cain, and Miller families. The Site of the Town of Kirksville was settled between the decade of 1846-1856.

The Village (now City) of Kirksville was established on a Pre-emption Grant (certificate no. 26406) of the North West Quarter of Section Nine in Township Sixty-Two, of Range Fifteen; in the District of Lands subject to sale at Fayette, Missouri; containing 160 acres.The Patent was issued under The Act of 26th, May, 1824 and The Act of 24th, April, 1820 on December 1st, 1848. This was based upon claim made by Jonathan Floyd Trustee Adair County Commissioners under the Acts above sited on December 25th, 1846 and recorded at the Land Office in Boonville Missouri for the establishment of the County Seat.

Though selected in 1841 for the site of the seat of justice for Adair County, the Village of Kirksville dates from the Act, approved January 30th 1857 incorporating the Town. In 1841 the site was selected by Jefferson Collins, L. B. Mitchell, and Thomas Ferrell and a plat was established in 1842. The village was bounded by the south line of McPherson Street on the south, by Illinois Street on the north, the alley east of Marion on the east and Main Street on the west. (The Original Town of Kirksville Plat shows a slightly larger area most notably toward the south) and the first sale of town lots was made in 1846.

The settlements of Long Point 1830-1840, and The Cabins 1841 while close onto Township Sixty-Two of Range 15 and being in the Benton Township should not be confused with the site of the Village of Kirksville. (Galiel 23:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC))

The plat info is probably too detailed for inclusion in a general encyclopedia. As for the names, this is original research, and runs against the oldest authorities, which clearly indicate that the Adair County communities were identified with, if not identical to one another on a plat. Historical info reworded and restored. 66.141.254.119 01:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

What you are relying on is Violette’s History pg. 342 written in 1911. It is not one of the “the oldest authorities”. Long Point as a farm settlement is distinctly sited in the 1888 Illustrated History as being outside of Kirksville and important only in the fact that a small blockhouse was built there on the ridge in the early 1830s, it would be in error to consider it more than a minor trading post and fortificaton against the indians to the north. Violette chooses to take the position that this was an earlier name of the town based upon two lines in the 1888IH on pp250/252 while ignoring other distinct passages clearly stating that the blockhouse built on Long Point Ridge was outside of Kirksville. – Kirksville is located about one end of Long Point Ridge, it is not the site of the blockhouse settlement. I can find no mention of Hopkinsville in the 1888IH. I must consider Hopkinsville to be apocraphyl as the only citation I can find is in Violette and he, himself in his preface admits that he has not done adequate research in regards to the early settlements of the county and he provides no bibliography or footnotes.

The 1913 History of Northeast Missouri relies completely upon Violette and makes no mention of Hopkinsville or Long Point. They are not even mentioned in the ramblings of J.B. Bowcock in his 1925 pamphlet “A History of Kirksville”. Reviewing the archives held by the Rinehart News Agency (founded in 1861 in Kirksville) I can find nothing regarding Hopkinsville. If there are any sources other than Violette I would be more than happy to look at them. I once again point out that Violette lifted most of his material on early Adair County and Kirksville history from the 1888 Illustrated History of Adair, Sullivan, Putnam, and Schuyler Counties, Missouri . The Land where Kirksville now sits was unoccupied until 1840s, first being held by County for the County Seat of Justice with lots later sold to private individuals.

None of this is original research and hardly runs contrary to “the oldest authorities” as I am citing the oldest authority. (Galiel19:47 27 February 2007)

gold star to David for the article from the Daily Express covering the folk legend about "Hopkinsville". Every community has stories about its early days; most of which turn out to be apocryphal in nature though fun in the telling. The same can be made about Long Point. Just because the modern boundaries of the city have annexed the site of other, now defunct, communities does not mean that the current community is founded upon those earlier settlement sites, just that they have been annexed into the city as the it’s boundaries have expanded. (Galiel16:17 26 March 2007)