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Contents 1 12th Man 2 Kyle Field as a Living Memorial 3 Largest Training/Rehab facility Claim 4 Original Cost 5 Size Vandalization 6 HD 7 Expansion 8 Kyle Field Capacity

[edit] 12th Man

Would someone want to add a section briefly talking about the 12th Man? I think it's important that we mention who the 12th Man is (since Kyle Field is the home of..), and talk about the huge number of tickets set aside for students (unlike at that other school in Austin). Maybe we could also bring up the College GameDay appearances, and some of the info that is in the introduction. I've already done a lot of tweaking today, so if someone else has time to write this I'd be thankful! Gig 'em! Karanacs 18:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kyle Field as a Living Memorial

On game days, about 55 US Flags are flown from the top decks of Kyle Field. These flags represent the 55 Aggies killed defending our country during World War I. This is also why the Corps of Cadets stands together in uniform, again showing patriotism and respect to those Aggies who gave their lives in defense of our freedom.

• I added this info with sources to the header section.Karanacs 18:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Largest Training/Rehab facility Claim

I put a "citation needed" ^{[citation needed]} up a few days ago and still haven't seen a response. I am pulling the claim. If you want to put the claim back up please cite the source. Dothivalla 20:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Original Cost

Under cost, Kyle Field was listed as $300,000. This is misleading because the most recent expansion was significantly more than $1 million. Unless someone objects, I recommend changing it to "Original Cost" or "Initial Construction Cost".

[edit] Size Vandalization

Someone keeps reducing the offical capacity of Kyle field to 80k, and increasing the offical capacity of DKR (the univ of texas stadium) to 85k. The offical numbers on capacity are 82,650 for KF, and just over 80k for DKR.

Until the improvements to DKR are completed, or Texas changes their offically listed capacity, there is no reason to vandalize either article by posting false claims. --Ancalagon06 13:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The offical website for UT football lists the capacity of DKR at 85,123.[1]. The official Kyle Field page lists its capacity as 82,600.[2] Johntex\^talk 14:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HD

Since 12th Man TV has been merged here, I am copying the following discussion from the Talk page.

please keep the part about it being NOT HD.
This does not meet the criteria for a high definition television which includes a minimum specification of 720x1280 for a total of at least 921,600 pixels. Corpx 06:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• I agree. I think it is useful information. Readers will naturally want to know if such a big screen is high definition, or they may even just assume that any screen that big must be high-definition. The comparison of the number of pixels in this screen and the number of pixels defined in the high definition standard is useful information. Johntex\^talk 14:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

You are correct, it is not HDTV, but is high resolution. If we're getting technical on these articles, it is my understanding that UT does not yet have the capability to record and transmit an HD signal to their screen. Is that confirmed? -Texink 01:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, we are absolutely supposed to be getting technical with these articles. It is an encyclopedia, after all!

As far as I know "high resolution" does not have an agreed upon definition. What definition are you using for "high resolution" and what is your source for that definition? The ATSC provides a definition for "high definition television" so this is a defined term.

If "high resolution" does not have an agreed-upon definition, then the phrase is just like "high quality" or "amazing sound" and it should be ommitted. As far as I can see, the one reference currently usded for this article does not use the phrase "high resolution".

As far as Godzillatron, I think you are referring to a rumor that was dispelled. What happened was in the first game, UT received a lot of complaints that they were using less than half of the screen to show video. Someone from the athletics department claimed that this was because they were missing a part. However, that explanation was soon revealed to be bogus.[3] They were not missing a part, they just wanted to show a lot of adds. Johntex\^talk 01:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

at the ohio state game, godzillatron displayed standard def video, but it was stretched to fit the area inside the ad border. at the iowa state game, high def video was displayed on the screen, along with high def replays Corpx 02:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Above discussion bopied from Talk:12th Man TV

I think we should remove the part about the Godzillatron. There is no need for it to be explicitly stated here. Thoughts?

• Somewhere along the line, someone reinserted the claim that this TV is cable of high-definition video. I removed the claim again since it is not true. Johntex\^talk 19:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Johntex, yes it is capable of displaying a HD signal. http://www.aggieathletics.com/pressRelease.php?PRID=11654, but one must note that there are 2 issues here.

1. The signal itself can be displayed: though some people get an HD signal in their homes, they cannot use these channels because they do not have the capability to display an HD signal.
2. Then there is the quality displayed. A&M's screen has the capability to display 480p resolution images. While this is definitely the lower end of HD, it is still an HD signal that can be displayed.

Let's not get into a revert war. BQZip01 02:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, we won't have a revert war as long as you don't revert me.  :-) Seriously, if you read our article (or any other reputable source) on High Definition, you will notice that 480p does not count as High Definition. 480p is "enhanced definition". Even the original X-Box, the PS2, and most current DVD players can do 480p. It is not High Definition. High Definition begins at 780p. Johntex\^talk 15:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The problem is, I've never actually read anything that states that 12th Man TV is actually a 480p screen. Most people that are attempting to change this article back to stating that the screen is HD-capable are probability using this as a source: [4] (look at the second section, just after the introduction). While I can't find where I read this, I've read that the total resolution of the screen was 1024x768. This presents a problem when trying to describe it as SDTV, EDTV or HDTV: that resolution is enough more than standard SDTV and EDTV resolutions that I would say merely calling the screen EDTV is inaccurate; likewise, that doesn't conform to any HD spec that I'm aware of, and, as such, calling it HD doesn't really work either. I would say that it's best to just remove any mention of this issue from the article all together - having two paragraphs about screen resolution in an article about a football stadium seems absurd, and I don't know if we can do a good, accurate description of the screen's capabilities in less. -EdisonLBM 16:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... Our article says that the Kyle Field screen has 590,000 pixels.

The minimum standard for HDTV is 720x1280 for a total of at least 921,600 pixels. Let's look at just pixel counts for a moment and ignore other portions of the standard such as aspect ratio, refresh rate, etc.

• If our article is right and the screen has 590,000 pixels that would be 64% of the 921,600 required for high definition.
• If you can find a source that says the screen really has 1024x768 that is the XGA standard. 1024x768 works out to 786,432 pixels, which would be 85.3% of the number required for high definition.

So, either way it is not high definition. For the article, we could simply say that the screen has "higher resolution than Enhanced-definition television but less resolution than High-definition television". Johntex\^talk 18:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Interesting bit on that press release's pixel count not matching the 1024x768 number - I could swear that I had read that from some place reputable - perhaps that's the count of only the part of the screen used for video during a football game (and not counting the part used only for the scoreboard)? At any rate, I'm not sure that it matters, as I think we can all agree that the screen is somewhere between EDTV and HDTV at this point. I think your sentence works well enough.. I would phrase it something along the lines of ".. has a resolution in between that of Enhanced-definition television and High-definition television" just because I think that sounds smoother, but that's just getting picky and I really would say that your way of saying it is factually accurate based on the information we've dug up.

Since it seems that there has been at least one other user looking at this part of the article recently, I'll wait until tomorrow to give them a chance to weigh in before I make the change. - EdisonLBM 01:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. Your wording is fine with me. Johntex\^talk 01:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion

Looks like Kyle is going to get expanded in the near future.[5] Someone want to add this information? I'm too busy right now. Blueag9 03:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

It's already there. The article says 'In late 2004, various expansion plans for Kyle Field were communicated to the public, with the final capacity possibly expanding to 115,000.[5] The expansion plans are indefinite with university officials saying, “Anything could happen, but there’s no definitive time line to make this go. It’s a vision, and much of it depends on the success of the football program.'" Johntex\^talk 15:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kyle Field Capacity

I restored cited information about Kyle Field previously being the largest in the state but now being the second largest. This is certainly a topic we can expect readers to care about. It may be better somewhere else besides the lead, but the lead is really short so I left it there. Johntex\^talk 18:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

While it is a fact, it's POV, since half the sentence refers to another stadium for another school. Perhaps a link to a page with the largest college stadiums would be less POV (you don't need to show how A&M is less than your alma mater. Seems kind of petty and unnecessary to add it to every webpage including "Kyle Field") BQZip01 18:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Please by careful with saying words like "petty", they don't aid the conversation. A fact by itseld is not POV. Giving a fact undue weight can be POV. As I mentioned, I have no objection to moving the information further down the page. You may not be aware of the history of the article. There was a time when authors kept trying to say that Kyle Field is the largest in the state. If authors are mistaken about this, other readers surely will be as well. Adding the information to the article helps inform these misinformed people. Johntex\^talk 19:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I do not say that it is the largest in the state (and yes I saw the discussion), but to point out that it is second to DKR is POV IMHO. I have NO problem whatsoever stating it is the second largest (it is), but DKR has little place on the Kyle Field page (and vice versa). We won't be having this problem once they build Kyle Dome (capacity 185,000+). Special waivers from NASA as it interferes with Satellite orbits. The 6 jumbotrons having from the ceiling show the game to those who can't see well up in the coulds on 4th & 5th deck...just kidding, but my point is that a reference to DKR is unnecesary. BQZip01 08:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, you had me going until the 6 jumbotrons. Surely a stadium like that would have at least 9 jumbotrons.  :-) I think it would be awesome for any stadium in Texas to eclipse those guys in Michingan, Tennessee, etc. The Lone Star State deserves the biggest stadium.

I think a good solution would be to find or create a list of the biggest college football venues. Then we can leave in mention of it being second biggest in the state, leave the reference (since it supports the standing within the state), but link to the list instead of to DKR. If they want to know what the biggest stadium is they can either consult the reference or the list. Johntex\^talk 15:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

BTW, if you look at Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium - it says it is the 3rd biggest in the Big12, and prominently lists both DKR and Kyle Field in the lead. Johntex\^talk 15:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

IMHO it doesn't need to be there either, but unless there is an objection, I guess we can leave it, but yeah, leave the link and take out DKR is fine with me. BQZip01 15:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I have posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Stadiums and attendance my intention to create a List of college football stadiums. A draft is already available at User:PSUMark2006/Sandbox2. As soon as this moves to article space, I will swap out the link. Johntex\^talk 16:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Perfect!!! BQZip01 17:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• The list is now available at List of Division I-FBS college football stadiums. It is still growing, but I went ahead and made the change to this article. Johntex\^talk 19:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)