Talk:Lamar Hunt
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Lamar Hunt is a very important figure in the history of North American sport; however to me this article borders on haigiography. Particularly telling is the link the "three yards and a cloud of dust" being to the NFL. The POV of the article is that pro football prior to Hunt and the AFL was uniformly ponderous, boring, and pretty awful and that Hunt and the AFL saved us from all of this. While many of Hunt and the AFL's innovations are important, and much of the impetus for today's more "wide-open" style came from the old AFL, to suggest that it and it alone is totally repsonsible for the modernizing of the game is overreaching and to my thinking somewhat foolish. However, rather than attempt to make this article less worshipful and POV myself, I would like to see either its contributor fix it or someone who is more qualified than I and very knowlegeable about the life of Mr. Hunt to edit it; I wouldn't want what I would do to it to come off as vandalism; therefore I won't be touching it.
Rlquall 18:19 1 Jul 04 (UTC)
Okay, I've waited two months and, though there have been very minor edits, no one apparently has tried to make this something close to Wikipedia NPOV standards. As it is now, it's just mostly NFL-bashing and Hunt and AFL worship. (Note to "Contributors" -- don't use expressions like "pro" football hall of fame. It is the Pro Football Hall of Fame -- you don't necessarily have to like it or agree with the selections made or the process, but that's what it is. This is analgous to saying "George W. Bush is the "Republican" President of the United States." Losing the quotation marks around the word "Republican" doesn't make one a Republican or a Republican spympahtizer, but just shows adherence to proper style.
Rlquall 15:39, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I agree, and have added a POV dispute tag to this article. I cannot fix it, but hopefully someone will see this and make an effort. 204.181.73.10 17:13, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
I love Wikipedia, follow pro football closely, and agree with the statements made above about the need for NPOV. I will try to edit this Lamar Hunt article tonight and I welcome others to improve it further.
Andrew Szanton, 4/06
[edit] Dallas has now moved to the Eastern TZ
I know this is pointless to discuss here because 30 more people are going to "correct" the article with the "discovery" that he died on Dec. 14, but his death was announced before 06:00 UTC / 00:00 CST. The time stamp on this story confirms use to confirm that he died on December 13, not the 14th, but it's constantly being updated. Still, I'm quite sure the story was posted before midnight CT. - PhilipR 06:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- More to the point, the cited story says "Wednesday." 9:40 on Wednesday is not Thursday by any stretch of the imagination. Dates of major events aren't converted to UTC, regardless of what the timestamping convention for comments may do. —C.Fred (talk) 06:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
approximately 10:00 PM on December 13, 2006 when Mr Hunt passed away24.166.166.22 06:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The article is just FOOTBALL??????
This guy was a wide-ranging character and AP newsfeeds put that into perspective.
1) His other business interests, oil, recreation parks, etc. 2) The Silver dealing 25 years ago, what was his role? 3) He was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 1998, surgery in 2003, radiation 2006, then dies??? What went on between 1998 and 2003? Some guys avoid treatment to have sex. There's a story there. A billionaire isn't treated for 5 years????
- Wikipedia isn't a platform for investigative journalism (Wikinews might be), but verifiable and sourced material on his non-sports activities is certainly appropriate. - Cheers, PhilipR 17:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A couple comments
- I added a quote from Steelers Chairman Dan Rooney. I think it is very fitting to end the article with a quote stating just how important a figure Mr. Hunt was in making football America's sport. (Wjmoore17 21:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC))
It the "Early life" section is this sentence:
- Hunt was a college football player who rode the bench but was still an avid sports enthusiast during his time in college and throughout his entire childhood.
I suggest that "rode the bench" is not a widely known colloquialism. Also, the whole sentence is awkward. Why is his childhood mentioned last.
Two trophies bear his name (U.S. Open Cup and NFL AFC Champion) yet only one is named in the opening paragraph.
—Wrathchild (talk) 17:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed on all counts; I think these modifications would be constructive. - PhilipR 17:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
