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[edit] <^>v!!This album is connected!!v<^>
- All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages.--Hraefen Talk 23:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] More Fibonacci stuff
The title track lateralus also contains the fibonacci sequence. The "verse" vocals are arranged in groups where the number of syllables in each grouping walks up and down the sequence (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13)
Proof:
1 Black
1 Then
2 White are
3 All I see
5 In my infancy
8 Red and yellow then came to be
5 Reaching out to me
3 Lets me see
13 As below so above and beyond I imagine
8 Drawn beyond the lines of reason
5 Push the envelope
3 Watch it bend
--starwed
I think this is highly speculative at best - the first fibonacci numbers aren't uncommon numbers. --no account
- You just blew my mind. It was right there, yet I never recognized it. As I die-hard tool fan, I'm ashamed. Timbo ( t a l k ) 03:06, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- That's only one example of how Tool hides "things" in their lyrics. In some of their songs like No Quarter there are secret messages...
- Uhhh, No Quarter is a cover. Jredwards 20:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
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- The "secret messages" are not in the lyrics but are simply hidden vocal tracks about half-way through the song, behind the drums.
[edit] Lateralus color meaning
One of the ways I took the black/white red/yellow was going from being "young and angry" to being "happy/grateful for life".
Black and White: fight issues, take sides...these colors have no life, make me feel cold, but their so exact and simple
Now, thinking of red and yellow, I thought....roses! these colors make me feel warm
red = love/affection yellow = friends/freindship
lyrics (how "I" feel)
Black then white are all I see in my infancy. (right and wrong only existed, based existence off that only, feelings of anger/frustration arise form this, male/logical)
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me. (found love, made friends/enjoy others company, female/emotional) lets me see there is so much more
and beckons me to look through to these infinite possibilities. (if there was only right/wrong, then life is limited/sucks ... with love and friends, life is full of great feelings/good times, soak it up)
Nice to think about progression/growing up
Please, keep the fanboy talk to the forums. Your personal theories on the meaning of the album is not only unnessecary, but also tedious to read.
- Here is a link to an interview with Maynard where he states that the colors referenced in "Lateralus" come from "aboriginal stories of creation." MJK Interview Willbyr 05:12, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sources?
Could we please get some sources? I see all these claims in the trivia section, but nothing to support them. Such as ...
""Eon Blue Apocalypse" is said to be about Adam Jones' Great Dane named Whiskers, that had cancer and died, according to an interview with Danny Carey."
"The fourth track, "Mantra", was alleged to be a slowed-down recording of someone—possibly an old woman—saying "I love you". Keenan has since stated that the song is a slowed-down recording of one of his Siamese cats being squeezed."
"The vocal on "Faaip de Oiad" is a recording of a hoax call from a 1997 conversation on Art Bell's radio program Coast to Coast AM. The caller, in a frantic tone, claimed to have been previously employed at Area 51 and stated that the true nature of aliens were that of "extra-dimensional beings" that have infiltrated the military establishment and plan to destroy the world's large population centers to more easily control the remaining humans. The caller called back during the same program to confirm the hoax. "Faaip de Oiad" is Enochian for "the voice of God." Described as Danny Carey's personal percussion piece for the album (as was "(–) Ions" on Ænima), he can be heard drumming intensely in the background along with sounds of static and various electronic debris."
"In the song "Lateralus," the line "as below so above and beyond I imagine" is a reference to astrology, specifically the Hermetic maxim - "as above so below" - the theory that the stars parallel everything in occurence on earth.""
Primarily the third one ... but all of these need sources, otherwise they're just utterly baseless claims. 203.166.251.194 12:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Afaik most of the trivia originates from the tool faq at toolshed. At least the info bout mantra, eon blue apoc, faaip de oiad.. dunno about the lateralus reference though. I recall an interview with manyard where he stated that he wrote a lot of the lyrics of lateralus spontanously during the recording sessions, which doesn't contradict any deeper references but makes them unlikely. --Johnnyw 12:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Another source for these claims is found at To me, Tool's Lateralus is the most amazing piece of music ever composed. which includes the original document that circulated the net about the Lateralus/Fibbonacci sequence. I'm not very wiki-savvy, so I'm not sure if this could count as an official citation. -AH
- I don't recall the note about the "as below so above" reference being in the Tool FAQ either, but the info about EBA, Mantra, and FdO are definitely there. Willbyr 13:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The intro
The album's nearly 5 years old now and the first bit of infomation on this page is about the early title change annoying some of the media. Is that still relevant for an album page? How would it look if the first sentence on the Sgt Pepper page was the initial reaction to the title of some radio DJ? ... a bit silly methinks. Kansaikiwi 09:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- You words in my ear. I think that was a good idea.. I rearranged the article a bit and expanded the systema story a bit to make it more comprehensible. Omitting the story would be a loss imho, since these rumors regarding upcoming Tool albums are quite notorious. --Johnnyw 15:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] HDCD?
So I heard that Lateralus was made on a special sort of CD, and I noticed an "HDCD" logo on the lower right-hand side of the back of the outer sleeve. What difference does this make? Do you have to have a special sort of CD player to harness whatever magical properties HDCDs have?
- High Definition Compatible Digital Aottley 00:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lyric edit needed in article
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that this reference to the lyrics is incorrect:
[1] so [1] much [2] more and
It should be:
[1] so [1] much [2] more that
-Kris
[edit] Citation
I don't know how to put a citation in but for the source about the Grudge being inspired by Nathaniel Hawthorne: http://toolshed.down.net/faq/faq.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.162.206.170 (talk • contribs).
- Does the Toolshed FAQ really count as a reliable source? --King Bee 16:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely. Kabir is in contact with the band, having taken lyrics directly from Maynard to be posted as the correct lyrics.
