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Contents 1 The Catacombs 2 March of the Penguins? 3 Fronsac or de Fronsac? 4 A Lion? 5 Eberron 6 The Plot

[edit] The Catacombs

I mentioned the place where the beast is held in captivity is a catacomb. I'm pretty sure it actually isn't, though, since the only French catacombs I can recall off the top of my head are in Paris, and not in the country side where the movie takes place. The actual film mentioned it was a hunting lodge, or something, it looked like a cottage in the middle of the woods. But when Fronsac is running through it, kicking ass, the size of the building seems to increase considerably and lead to underground passages. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ARBlackwood (talk • contribs) 11 November 2006.

[edit] March of the Penguins?

Somebody wrote down that the movie took in about $10,000,000 dollars in the box office and that it was surpassed by March of the Penguins with $77,000,000. Exact quote: "...grossing only $10 million USD, nor crtically acclaimed. This record was surpassed by March of the Penguins which grossed over $77 million in the U.S. alone."

Why is this here? Why are we comparing this movie to a documentary made five years later? There are plenty of other films that grossed more than Brotherhood [Matrix, Passion of the Christ, Star Wars, et cetera]. I have a feeling this statistic was added by someone who just really liked March of the Penguins, and doesn't really have anything to do with the article. So I'm deleting this sentence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ARBlackwood (talk • contribs) 13 July 2006.

It's talking about French films, not American ones —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.101.127.191 (talk • contribs) 23 August 2006.

[edit] Fronsac or de Fronsac?

Should the taxidermist character be referred to as "Fronsac" as currently in the plot section, or is "de Fronsac" more appropriate? My reaction is that it should be "de Fronsac" each time. Not having seen the movie, however, I cannot be certain. :) -Phoenixrod 09:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

The movie refers to him as "Fronsac", iirc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.250.8.232 (talk • contribs) 21 June 2006.

[edit] A Lion?

The movie explaination is that Jean-Farncois brought from Africa "Une bete etrange" - A strange beast (implying a near-extinct species). Who said anything about a lion? The animal is clearly larger than a lion even without the mask&makeup. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.137.120.101 (talk • contribs) 9 September 2006.

And also, Marianne and Fronsac go to Senegal, not America, at the end. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.137.120.101 (talk • contribs) 9 September 2006.

I'm not sure who wrote about the Lion, from a scientific standpoint it seems like the most logical choice of creature befitting the proper requirements of the beast, but I think it should remain as a more obscure, unknown sort of creature. Like you said, nobody ever mentioned a lion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ARBlackwood (talk • contribs) 11 November 2006.

If you look at the close ups of the beast's mouth and eyes particularly the final shot of the beast's eye and mouth before Fronsac shoots it, it is clearly a Lion. Jean-Farncois talks about the lion that attacked him (allegedly)taking his arm and then later talks about the beast being the strongest 'cub' of the animal he brought back from Africa. Although it's never actually stated in dialogue, the implication that the beast is a lion is beyond doubt. And here is a link to an interview BotW director Christopher Gans gave with Ain't it cool news where he states "Well it's a lion!". http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=10793 There you go, the beast in brotherhood of the wolf is conclusively and without doubt a lion. (I know it's a bit on the large size, but if you really want to rationalize it then you could say it's an Atlas Lion) 81.152.196.94 13:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC) Elmo

The only clue to the lion explaination would be the conversation between Jean-Francois and Fronsac at the Duhamel's beat. I can't beleve that there is a person that beleves that Jean-Francois was telling him what really happened in Africa then! In the same conversation he claimed to had lost an arm to gangrene then, while he actually had both. In short he was lying. If J. F. told him that he encountered an unknown animal (as he did) he would have raised Fronsac's suspicion. Even if the director had an intention to have a lion as The Beast he certainly failed to fulfill it. Why would the explaination at the end say "A strange animal" then? The lions were well known animals back then (to Fronsac, a naturalist for sure) and also very prominent on coats of arms. If the eye and the mouth at the end looks as if they belonged to a lion that is because it was a lion ACTING (in the movie) as The Beast.

[edit] Eberron

What evidence is there that this film was an inspiration for Eberron? As far as I can tell the two settings are completely different. One is 18th century France, the other is a Fantasy setting with robots. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.11.30.144 (talk • contribs) 21 September 2006.

I was also thinking of removing this link. I checked out the website link that supposedly justified this, but I didn't find anything. Who keeps adding these obscure references to other films/games? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ARBlackwood (talk • contribs) 11 November 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberron#Roots_and_influences--71.53.51.87 22:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Plot

The description of the plot is confusing and badly written. I haven't seen the movie myself, so I cannot rewrite it. I hope someone who has seen it will. JdeJ 13:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)