Talk:List of Kyoto Protocol signatories

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(William M. Connolley 20:35, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)) I've been filling out the table, based on http://www.climnet.org/EUenergy/ratification/calendar.htm. A couple of things to straigthen out:

• non-annex-I countries are listed en bloc. I think thats because non-annex-I don't have to do anything.
• The CAN page lists Romania in 2001 as the first annex-I country to ratify. I don't understand that.

Contents 1 Brazil - why is it not listed? 2 Chinese entries 3 Serbia and Montenegro 4 MAP 5 Fiji

[edit] Brazil - why is it not listed?

Can someone please tell me why Brazil is not listed here?

• http://www.brazil.org.uk/page.php?cid=1203
• http://www.brasembottawa.org/eng_news_env_kyoto_protocol.htm

[...] Brazil has traditionally demonstrated its commitment to the objectives of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. The country hosted the United Nations Conference on the Environment and Development ("Earth Summit" or Rio 92), when the said convention was signed, Brazil being its first signatory. [...]

[...] With regard to the Kyoto Protocol, the country has been making a systematic contribution to its success. CDM, for example, was the result of a Brazilian suggestion for setting up a Clean Development Fund, under which any country that did not achieve its reduction targets would become liable to a kind of financial penalty, with the resulting funds being invested in developing countries. [...]

(William M. Connolley 13:39, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)) No particular reason. I've added it now: I guess I just missed it before. Its on the CAN list - you could have added it yourself.

[edit] Chinese entries

I'm going to modify recent changes to the article made by Instantnood.

1. that it only applies to the mainland is incorrect. Reader's Digest is a crap source in any language and is contradicted by the PDF file from the UN (last updated two weeks ago) that states it applies in Hong Kong.
2. removing Hong Kong and Macau from the list of "non-signing". They can't sign a UN treaty because they aren't UN members, China is. To list them gives the impression they could have signed it. Also remove Hong Kong, because Kyoto will apply to it (but not Macao, for now).

"In accordance with the provisions of Article 153 of the Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China of 1990, the Government of the People's Republic of China decides that the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and the Kyoto Protocol to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change shall apply to the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China." SchmuckyTheCat 08:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Could you please provide a link to the PDF document? As for UN membership, Hong Kong has ratified the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) in 1976, which is insured by the Basic Law to be remained in force and implemented through laws. The PRC has not ratified the ICCPR, and Hong Kong submits its own report to the UN, although it isn't a UN member state. — Instantnood 08:18, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

RING RING, BANANAPHONE! HELLLO! It's on the bottom of the article under the caption "references". SchmuckyTheCat 08:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. — Instantnood 08:43, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Please also note Niue and Cook Islands are on the list, although neither is sovereign state nor UN member. — Instantnood 08:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't know about Cook Islands, but Niue retains its sovereignty and lets New Zealand take care of things in free association. Please stop with the analogies. SchmuckyTheCat 15:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Cook Islands conducts some sort of diplomatic relations. Nevertheless the key here is they're not UN members nor sovereign states (which was in response to what you said " They can't sign a UN treaty because they aren't UN members, China is. "). — Instantnood 16:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I do not care about Niue and Cook Islands. On this treaty who is answering for Hong Kong and Macao? China is. Maybe HK and MO have been consulted and made the decision but who answers to the treaty and to the UN? CHINA. There is no place for HK and MO to be listed independently of their parent nation. China China China. SchmuckyTheCat 17:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Alright. You've effectively disregarded what you said: " They can't sign a UN treaty because they aren't UN members, China is. " [1] - i.e. UN membership as a prerequisite to sign. — Instantnood 17:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Contradictory basis or not, the end result is the same. China answers for Hong Kong. SchmuckyTheCat 18:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Why couldn't Hong Kong sign it? Is it because Hong Kong is not a UN member, as you've suggested? [2] — Instantnood 19:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't care enough to find out why just to answer you. The issue is moot, China speaks for Hong Kong on this treaty. SchmuckyTheCat 19:25, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

So you don't care what you've said, right? — Instantnood 19:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Serbia and Montenegro

S&M or Yugoslavia is entierly missing (not signed, not accepted, not ratified, not entered into force) from the PDF list at the link at the bottom of the page. But it is stated as "accepted 12.3.2001" here: [3]. So, what's its status realy? 212.36.8.100 10:51, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

The date above is for "Ratification of the Convention", not "The Kyoto Protocol". Compare with USA's entry, which shows ratification for the former, but not the latter. I'm going to move Serb. & Mont. to the "not signed" list. --Spiffy sperry 14:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MAP

the map of signed/unsigned agreements needs to be labeled to allow quick acess to this information, rather than having to read through the text, or to drag up a world map to relate to country positions. not everyone is well orintated with political boundries.

RoNa_CaBiLlO

--155.205.200.30 00:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fiji

Why did Fiji bother to sign if they were going to ratify it the same day? Nil Einne 12:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Style? —Nightstallion (?) 21:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)