Talk:List of NHL players with 1000 points

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Contents 1 Stan Mikita 2 Flags 3 Hall of Fame Addition to the Table? 4 Order

[edit] Stan Mikita

Mind giving a link to where on NHL.com Mikita's described as a Slovakian? I just went through the search function on the site and see nothing of the sort. Mikita was born in Slovakia, but emigrated to Canada when he was eight, is a Canadian citizen, and played internationally for Canada. He strikes me as Slovakian the same way that Ken Hodge and Steve Thomas were English players, Willi Plett Paraguayan and Rod Langway was Taiwanese. RGTraynor 21:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Here's a better link: http://www.hhof.com/html/r&r-C.shtml

Hockey Hall of Fame has him as Slovakia's all-time leading scorer. (and Steve Thomas as Englands, Rod Langway as Taiwans). Yankees76 21:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

NHL.com link

www.nhl.com/scores/recaps/59_2_recap.html (bottom of page -::Jagr's goal was the 541st of his career, tying him for second place with Stan Mikita on the all-time list for goals scored in the NHL by a European. Jari Kurri is the leader with 601.

Lastly, Stan Mikita holds the state honour of White double-cross, second class in Slovakia and is a member of the Slovak Hall of Fame.

I'll leave the Canadian flag next to Mikita - as he did reach the 1000 point mark as a Canadian citizen - however it might be a good idea to create a policy regarding player nationality and how to determine it for future edits. Cheers! Yankees76 04:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Just an FYI, I didn't change the flag back again as a sockpuppet - 87.197.122.147 is a Netherlands IP (just in case anyone thought I might be trying to sneak the change back in. I haven't reverted it yet (as you know my position on the subject). Cheers Yankees76 23:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flags

I just removed the flags that Elrith had put in a few months ago for several reasons.

1. There are arguments about player's nationalities, see above argument.
2. They slowed down the speed in which the page loaded, because of all the images.
3. They serve very little purpose in the context of the article, unlike the team logos which identify visually what team the player was with at the time, the nationality is irrelevant info involving this topic.

• If you have any qualms with this, I'd like to hear them. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 03:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• Qualms? I have qualms. If the content is verifiable it should be here. BoojiBoy 03:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• No qualms. And based on this edit it looks like someone already fixed it. — MrDolomite | Talk 15:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
• I still think we need to come to a consensus of whether the flag should indicate the players birth country, country of residence or country of citizenship. For example, Brett Hull has an American flag, but he was born in Canada and has dual US/Canadian citizenship. Stan Mikita was born in Slovakia, was raised in Canada and is now an American. Peter Stastny was born in Slovkia, but played internationally for Czechoslovakia, Slovkia and Canada, and also has dual US/Canadian citizenship (as does Gretzky - though no one will argue that he's American) And, Russian players like Fedorov and Mogilny were born in the Soviet Union, so if the flag goes by birth place, the wrong flag is listed. Until a consensus is reached I would remove the flags - as they don't really serve an immediate purpose. Yankees76 16:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
• Brett Hull was also raised in and started playing in Canada, and his famous father was Canadian. That basically makes him like 3x as Canadian as he is American. PublicSecrecy 05:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hall of Fame Addition to the Table?

There are many who debate whether inclusion in this club should mean Hall of Fame election. Adding whether a player is in the Hockey Hall of Fame would be a good addition to the table as it would make a a good resource for this dicussion and is verifiable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Waltgerris (talk • contribs) 17:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

I disagree. Many on the list are still active players, and achieving 1000 points does not guarantee an induction. -- Scorpion 17:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I also disagree, whether the player was in the HHOF has little relevance to this article, as 1000 points and HHOF do not have any correlation. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 18:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

First off, who would be that "many?" Secondly, with the post-WHA explosion in career lengths, 1000 points is just not that big a deal; you can get there averaging 65 pts a season for 15 years, both marks far from remarkable and certainly not representative of all-time greatness. Thirdly, there are just too many 1000-pt scorers, and the HHOF elects no more than three players a year and nowhere near that many consistently. Right now there are about twenty players on that list who just aren't going to make it, ever: the Propps, Hunters, Fleurys, Verbeeks, Andersons, Larmers and Smiths of the world are SOL. More will break 1000 in the upcoming seasons: I'd say barring injury or ennui Tkachuk, Bondra, Weight, Forsberg, Lindros, Lidstrom and Kariya will hit it within 3-4 seasons. RGTraynor 18:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Order

Why is this list by date and not by points? Otherwise I suggest a move of title. I also think people are interested in seeing rankings by points than dates, or revise why its ranked 1 - ?? if its just by date and there is no 'rank' per say. Just a chronological list which doesnt need numbers. Mkdw^talk 10:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Because that list already exists. RGTraynor 13:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)