Talk:List of Star Trek characters
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Anton Mravcek did slightly more than copy the list of secondary and tertiary characters I had on my user page, but I don't know if he's aware that my list is incomplete. It lacks all the important recurring characters from Star Trek: Enterprise, and it's still missing characters from the previous series.
I don't know about the TOC, maybe this page should have the TOC hidden by default. ShutterBugTrekker 20:33, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
[edit] To link or not to link secondary characters?
I think we should only link main characters, important recurring characters and memorable one-episode principal guest stars (such as Edith Keeler in "City on the Edge of Forever", TOS). Minor characters that still get billing in the opening or ending credits should be listed here, but not linked. And characters cast by extras or only mentioned but not shown need not be listed here.
Also, some characters may need disambiguation, such as Sela, an important figure in the Holy Bible, and in Star Trek the daughter of Tasha Yar is at Sela (Star Trek). On the other hand. On the other hand, we need not append "(Star Trek)" to the title of every article on Star Trek characters, especially in the case of characters with fairly unique names, such as Lwaxana Troi. I for one would rather err on the side of not appending "(Star Trek)", and if there is an entity or concept with a stronger claim to the name then the Star Trek article can be moved. ShutterBugTrekker 20:33, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- I don't think we should make articles for characters who only appeared in one episode. Robert Happelberg 22:00, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
- I think we should decide which characters get their own pages based on how much important content we could write about them, not solely based on the number of episode they appear in. Take for example Edith Keeler as mentioned above: despite only appearing in one episode, she is an important character in that episode. Conversely, some 'background' characters that appear in many episodes may not warrant a separate article. I think a good overall guide would be to ask oneself "Can I write any more than 2-3 sentences about this character?" If the answer is no, a separate article is not worth it. Marky1981 15:34, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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- I agree with the 2-3 sentences criteria. As it stands, some valuable content has been deleted to make way for redirects to the list, where little information is to be found. Commander 16:23, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
- I have reverted the redirects for the characters with sufficient information to warrant keeping the page, and the rest I have left alone.
- Duras doesn't warrant a separate article for the character, but this page already had links to two other Duras'. This should probably be cleaned up into a proper disambiguation page.
- Also Ardra (Star Trek) doesn't need an article, however it contains good information to transfer to the one TNG episode in which this character appeared, "Devil's Due." It should be merged there. Commander 21:17, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
- Redirects were made to this page from those minor articles because of an ongoing process at VfD. Minor Star Trek related articles kept getting put up for deletion, and although the deletion nominations were invariably defeated, consensus was almost always reached to merge the article in question with this page and redirect. So, to save VfD from being flooded, and since it was pretty clear what everyone thought should happen to these articles, i was bold and redirected them myself. I think the problem these articles face to general opinion is being "trek-cruft", showing systemic bias towards "young male entertainment", and the fact that Wikipedia isnt supposed to be just a list of all facts ever. Its true that some biographical information was lost when the redirects were made, but only biographical information that was considered "non-notable" by the majority. It was also mentioned at VfD that "we must remember Star Trek is a fictional universe" and some were unimpressed that it seemed as though there was a lower bar of notability in the fictional star trek universe than the real world.Jdcooper 17:43, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Tabulating characters
Hi
Just a thought: how about tabulating the list of characters to make it a bit like the List of Star Trek: TNG episodes? Here's one possible way of doing it...
| Pic | Character | Actor | Description | Episodes |
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Brunt | Jeffrey Combs | Ferengi male; liquidator from the Ferengi Commerce Authority | Family Business (DS9)
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Vreenak | Stephen McHattie | Romulan male; key member of the Romulan Senate from 2360 to 2374; vice-chairman of the Tal Shiar; secretary of the War Plans Council; one of Proconsul Neral's most trusted advisors | In the Pale Moonlight (DS9) |
Let me know what you think! Marky1981 21:51, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Too many columns. How about
| Pic | Character (Actor) / Description | Episodes |
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Brunt (Jeffrey Combs)
Ferengi male; |
Family Business (DS9) |
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Vreenak (Stephen McHattie)
Romulan male; |
In the Pale Moonlight (DS9) |
- —wwoods 22:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I think these kind of tables are the way to go for a lot of this stuff. I just added the nowrap as a bug since right now browsers wrap, like above, after spaces when it's not desired. Cburnett 22:08, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
- I threw in my 2 cents worth on the trial table under A. Mine is the trial #1. I like it because it removes more of the white space between names and description. Cburnett 22:16, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
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- Not had any protests so we might as well go with the trial #1 - only thing that concerns me is that it does take up a lot of vertical space! Marky1981 12:50, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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- I'll opt for more organization of tabular data for more vertical space. Cburnett 16:35, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
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I think it's about time we got on with converting the lists to tables! Anyone sparing a few minutes, let's try to get them done! Randomly pick a letter and work on those characters - if there are a lot for that letter, it might be worth mentioning here which one(s) you are doing so no-one else starts the same letter! Other notes - stick to canon sources; if we don't have a pic of the character, put No pic, meaning we don't have a pic yet. Put Not seen on-screen if they have never been seen on-screen, so no-one tries to look for a screenshot! I will do a letter some point later on - let's go for it! Marky1981 17:14, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
- I was just looking at this article aftert going through WikiPoject Star Trek and thought that the no pic written where others have pictures is quite ugly. There must be a better way..perhaps no text at all..maybe some sort of Star Trek logo (ie: for Ardra use the picture [Image:Star Trek TNG title credit.jpg|50px] (not sure if that many fair-use images would be appropriate though)). See example below. In any case, I believe that there should either be a pic or nothing, no text.
| Pic | Character | Actor | Episodes |
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| Description | |||
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Ardra (Memory Alpha article) | Marta Dubois | Devil's Due (TNG) |
| Devil of Ventrax II, impersonated by a conwoman, only to be revealed as a hoax by Captain Picard. | |||
Chuck 10:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Found an orphaned ST character page
"Random paging" and found Sonak. I don't know enough about Star Trek to know what to do with this. This article is very lonely and could use some TLC. Thank you. Soundguy99 02:58, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
- Not sure he deserves his own article, but I did a little formatting and added it to the list anyway. Robert Happelberg 23:50, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] List of Starfleet officers
There is a new article called "List of Starfleet officers" which should probably be incorporated with this page somehow. I suggested a merge, but the creator got rather upset and reverted the merge notice. Perhaps link the two together somehow. -Husnock 23:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
- Perhaps these two articles should just cross-reference each other for now. ShutterBugTrekker 8 July 2005 21:45 (UTC)
[edit] Dr. Loews's mutants
The DS9 episode "Statistical Probabilities" introduces four genetically engineered individuals who unlike Bashir don't lead normal lives. They are Jack, Lauren, Patrick and Sarina. Is there a canon source establishing their last names? ShutterBugTrekker 8 July 2005 21:47 (UTC)
- No, they were only listed by their first names, even production notes don't give a "trustable canon" name, except for Sarina, who is given the full name of Sarina Douglas in their second appearence. But any other last names found would be fanmade. - AJHalliwell 04:33, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll add Sarina Douglas to the list if she's not already there. ShutterBugTrekker 20:53, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Riker and Laforge Bios
I have noticed in all of the character bios for both Laforge and Riker they both attended and graduated from Starfleet Academy at the same time 2353-2357, yet their characters never seem to refer to the fact that they knew each other or even of each other at the Academy. In the episode The Tin Man Riker is talking to Laforge about an incident where some of his classmates were killed which seems to denote that they where not at the Academy at the same time. I saw for the first time that in some Star Trek novels there is mention that Riker and Laforge were freinds at the academy. I know this is a very small and trivial part of the Star Trek cannon.
- There are 100s or 1000s of students at Starfleet Academy so they wouldn't likely know every other student in the same year. Did you know everyone at your school/college/university? I certainly didn't :) Marky1981 00:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rank insignias.
It might be nicer to display characters rank insignia with caption. --Cat out 23:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] TOS minor characters
I noticed that there is no section on minor/recurring characters in TOS, and as far as I could tell, no list of such characters on wikipedia at all. I think that a section here or a stand alone list would be usefull; especially as a merge target for characters that are not notable enough on there own but should be mentioned somewhere like Vincent DeSalle. I've thrown together a quick table in my userspace at User:Eluchil404/Test or permalink [1] and would link comments before adding it to the page. Eluchil404 08:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vincent DeSalle
Please merge relevant information from Vincent DeSalle, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vincent DeSalle. Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-28 10:48Z
[edit] Lo-fi images
If no one objects I shall add missing TNG character images. They are pretty lo-fi, tho, i have TNG in 512x384 video. It shouldn't be hard to update them with better, when such happen to apper. EdwardHades 20:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Why clean up?
I removed the clean up message because no reason was given here. The page looks neat as of today. If anything, clean up has already occurred and probably gone too far. As I remember this page, it was pretty close to being a fairly comprehensive and enlightening list. Robert Happelberg 15:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Deleted list of characters
Is there a particular reason why the alphabetical list of characters was deleted on 28 November 2006? Has it been moved elsewhere? Marky1981 20:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alphabetical_List_of_Star_Trek_Characters --EEMeltonIV 21:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Thanks, I didn't mean the separate "Alphabetical List of Star Trek Characters", but the list that was deleted from this article. Marky1981 21:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
